Germany and France should hang their heads in shame over Afghanistan

gerryh

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could it also be said that these the same europeans that moved to North America. Napolean may have been ripping up europe when we were infant countries, but the american civil war was no joke. And our wars may not be many as a sovereign nation but there all wars were because of europeans.

And they had there fill because there european? I guess the british and dutch people are tougher then the french and germans, or there not from europe:idea:

They say european wars, tired, this and that... My family was involved in alot of major wars, and we still have some fight left in us, and my moms side is recently from europe... As far as im concerned being european is not an excuse to not fight...

Im expressing my outrage on this fact, because there are men and women from sudbury over there. That could be getting more support then they have there already


Well.....isn't that special...... youtr family is not tired of the killing and is willing to kill some more....and you're proud of that..... I believe the term for that is psychopath.
 

darkbeaver

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What does NATO say about this?

It was all fine and good from the late 40's to the early 90's for NATO nations ready to spill blood on your soil for Germany.

The law was dictated by the USA the conquerors of Germany. Germany has been a nation in thrall since the war Smack not much they do since that time is allowed without their masters consent. More than ten million Germans were starved to death after the war by the banking allies. In essence it's an American law.
 

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I have to agree with Sparrow. I find it appalling that some people seem to believe that only because the US has set their mind to doing something all other nations should follow... For those who keep talking about the British joining in so willingly: Since the US used to be part of the Commonwealth, there is still a special connection between the US and GB. If one country goes to war the other is more likely to join than other nations that are not connected this closely. The same goes for Canada. If the British are at war they "automatically" assume the Canadians will join in, too, because they are a member of the Commonwealth. (There might even be an obligation?!) And in this case they did...
 

Johnnny

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gerryh, i aint a psycopath... People around where i live stepped up, when our country stepped up to be involved in afghanistan, call it what you want... For better or worse we have stuck by our country... (some days we wonder why...) Now as i read the thread as it has progressed, if Germany and France are in fact locking there troops in barracks at night then they might as well leave the country. If Germany has a code in there law books stating they cant attack another nation, then pack it up.. cause they seem to be useless.. Eaglesmack is correct alot of our North american blood has spilled on that continent, mabye the europeans dont return favours or underscore our sacrifices like were the polish. The Dutch obviously seem to remember... The reason why i mention say "being a european" isnt an excuse, cause it isnt. My family and alot of others (mabye yours i dont know you personally) came from europe and were essentially the same people of the europeans... When we leave afghanistan in 2011, ill support that decision too. We did our share and its time to pack it up. If we stay longer, i wont be happy about it but i will support our troops still... im not trying to pick a fight, i just feel that way about this subject. germany+france = useless in Afghanistan... i know one person in afhganistan personally, and about 3 people i met and knew on a regular basis also went. Obviously i support them.
 

gerryh

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I see..... so you only support the troops that are doin the killing, and if any country isn't willing to do some killing too.... then get the h*ll out..... but your not psychopathic at all....lol
 

Johnnny

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I see..... so you only support the troops that are doin the killing, and if any country isn't willing to do some killing too.... then get the h*ll out..... but your not psychopathic at all....lol

Mabye if the french and germans were fighting and putting the same as us on the line, mabye more canadians would be alive...

they lock the doors at night while our boys are out there fighting,
 

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And maybe the French and the Germans are the only smart ones over there. None of the invaders has any business being there and we certainly have no business killing people. The Afghans need to sort out their own business. If they want to stay in the dark ages, that is their decision.
 

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If the majority of Canadians had their druthers, they'd rather follow France and Germany's example than pour our youth into another failed adventure.
 

Cliffy

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If the majority of Canadians had their druthers, they'd rather follow France and Germany's example than pour our youth into another failed adventure.
Good mornin' cousin. At least I hope most Canadians were smart enough to.
 

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"I'm sick and tired of old men sitting in air conditioned rooms dreaming up wars for young men to die in." - George McGovern
 

EagleSmack

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The law was dictated by the USA the conquerors of Germany. Germany has been a nation in thrall since the war Smack not much they do since that time is allowed without their masters consent. More than ten million Germans were starved to death after the war by the banking allies. In essence it's an American law.

I thought that the Soviets, British, and Canadians had a little bit to do with the defeat of Germany as well. The Soviets more than anyone.

Germans were starved to death after the war?

Wow...you are a revisionist.

If the Germans were starved it was because they were invading every country around them and got their butts handed to them in the end.
 

Johnnny

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And maybe the French and the Germans are the only smart ones over there. None of the invaders has any business being there and we certainly have no business killing people. The Afghans need to sort out their own business. If they want to stay in the dark ages, that is their decision.

if they were as smart or smarter then us they wouldnt be over there in the first place, but they are.... so start putting out
 

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I don't see anyone discussing why more foreign troops are needed when Afghanistan has had 8 years in which to build up its army and has failed to do so. With all those billions given to them by Bush as our infrastructure collapses, and with all that troop support, Isn't time for them to stand up and fight their own battles?
 

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I don't see anyone discussing why more foreign troops are needed when Afghanistan has had 8 years in which to build up its army and has failed to do so. With all those billions given to them by Bush as our infrastructure collapses, and with all that troop support, Isn't time for them to stand up and fight their own battles?

The Afghans have been fighting the British, the Soviets, the Americans, us Canadians, NATO, and others for almost two centuries. Does anyone seriously think they need training to fight?
 

EagleSmack

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I don't see anyone discussing why more foreign troops are needed when Afghanistan has had 8 years in which to build up its army and has failed to do so. With all those billions given to them by Bush as our infrastructure collapses, and with all that troop support, Isn't time for them to stand up and fight their own battles?

Yes and with Obama's Surge...he's the QB now Gopher ... buck your chin strap.
 

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Conscription has been around for centuries, in fact America had it until recently in the
scheme of history. Its time some other countries came forward and contributed to the
force, In fact if we had a surge from all NATO countries and go after these Taliban
miscreants once and for all.
 

gopher

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''The Afghans have been fighting the British, the Soviets, the Americans, us Canadians, NATO, and others for almost two centuries. Does anyone seriously think they need training to fight?''


Then we don't need to be there. Precisely my point.
 

einmensch

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Let Israel send troops. Glad to see that Germany refused to send more troops. Why have the Canadians extended their mission? All the leaders eventually agreed--and how did the POPULATION of Canada feel---does it matter? Maybe we should have the German Shepard and Poodle mounting a beaver with a Bald Eagle watching.