German POWs WW11

[karrie]

Yes db... war brings about the targeted death of one nationality, or one race, on almost all occasions.

But, when deciding if it's 'genocide' or not, we look at the reason for that war. The genocide of the Jews was strictly for that end. It was started simply to be rid of them. There was no war that started them dying, just a one sided round up. Therein lies the distinction.

 

[darkbeaver]

I was lucky, Beaver, I escaped the brainwashing!!! By the time they got the history books ready for the German kids I was already gone!!

If you went to school in Canada you got the same western version of propaganda that I did. Your brain has been washed just as hard as mine has. As long as bankers rule we get very heavily skewed information nothing but outright lies to pure invention. Our whole capitalist edifice is right at this moment about to plunge into an inescapable accellerating downward death spiral following the predicted path, it's unsustainability has become crisis.

 

[darkbeaver]

Yes db... war brings about the targeted death of one nationality, or one race, on almost all occasions.

But, when deciding if it's 'genocide' or not, we look at the reason for that war. The genocide of the Jews was strictly for that end. It was started simply to be rid of them. There was no war that started them dying, just a one sided round up. Therein lies the distinction.

In no way was the second world war designed and conducted with the extermination of the Jews as it's pillar. Don't be so hung up on dates Karrie, it's not correct to think that the war stared in 1939 it started Versilles , the treaty of the first worls war to a great extent enabled the second, the Jews declared a war of sorts on the Germans in the early thirtys with a boycot.
The Jewish tragedy was not even the most destructive of the twentieth century genocides but it was the most reported and most taught and most revised, it became an industry that grinds out a product even today while millions of other victims of genocide have no champions no voice no remembering. There are no just wars.

 

[karrie]

There are no just wars.

And on that note of agreement, I'll let the parts which I disagree with drop.

 

[Colpy]

That seems awfully irrelevant to the topic at hand. The death of the Jews was not excusable simply because other countries wouldn't take them, and has no bearing on soldiers' reactions to finding the concentration camps.

And there is one hell of a big difference between refusing to take in Jewish refugees BEFORE the extermination began, and murdering 6 million Jews, 4 million of the Rom, Slavs, Russian POWs, political "untrustworthies", the handicapped and starting a war that cost 50 million lives.

Thank you Germany.

you'll find I spill few tears for the 40,000 that died in US hands.

BTW, I have never read so much unsupported, ignorant, revisionist, idiotic crap in all my life as what I've seen in the last couple of pages here........maybe the Germans should have stayed the hell out of Czechosolvakia, Austria, Poland, the USSR, Holland, Belguim, France, Luxembourg, Norway.........and on and on.

Geezus people, pull your head out of your ass.

the Second World War WAS a just war. Hitler and the Germans had to be stopped.

 

[jimmoyer]

Amen, Colpy.

Not only is it historical revisionism, but it is both historical amnesia of the next generation and an inability to look at that time how everyone saw it, full of questions and fear about what is going to happen next.

Hindsight distorts. Knowing the ending, everything in sequence looks like a sure thing, when at that time it was all a guess.

However, that article posted by Darkbeaver on the 1936 Olympics is interesting and may well be a true correction of the propaganda thrown around at the time.

 

[lone wolf]

So ... how about you great historians correct us all on the matter considering it sounds like you were the only folks there.... History is one truth viewed from many perspectives.

 

[karrie]

the Second World War WAS a just war. Hitler and the Germans had to be stopped.

I don't think it was just of Hitler to start it for his warped reasons.... just to clarify. I don't think STARTING a war is ever just. Ending a war... well that's sometimes inevitable.

 

[darkbeaver]

Amen, Colpy.

Not only is it historical revisionism, but it is both historical amnesia of the next generation and an inability to look at that time how everyone saw it, full of questions and fear about what is going to happen next.

Hindsight distorts. Knowing the ending, everything in sequence looks like a sure thing, when at that time it was all a guess.

However, that article posted by Darkbeaver on the 1936 Olympics is interesting and may well be a true correction of the propaganda thrown around at the time.

Everyone didn't see the same thing then anymore than they do now. The propaganda of the time was if anything easier to control and easier to distribute because of the limited vehicles available.

 

[darkbeaver]

And there is one hell of a big difference between refusing to take in Jewish refugees BEFORE the extermination began, and murdering 6 million Jews, 4 million of the Rom, Slavs, Russian POWs, political "untrustworthies", the handicapped and starting a war that cost 50 million lives.

Thank you Germany.

you'll find I spill few tears for the 40,000 that died in US hands.

BTW, I have never read so much unsupported, ignorant, revisionist, idiotic crap in all my life as what I've seen in the last couple of pages here........maybe the Germans should have stayed the hell out of Czechosolvakia, Austria, Poland, the USSR, Holland, Belguim, France, Luxembourg, Norway.........and on and on.

Geezus people, pull your head out of your ass.

the Second World War WAS a just war. Hitler and the Germans had to be stopped.

You spill no tears for the vanquished Colpy expect none when it's your turn. It's interesting to understand what organizations were insturmental in blocking much of the Jewish refugees from reaching safety, Palestine was considered the only acceptable destination.

"BTW, I have never read so much unsupported, ignorant, revisionist, idiotic crap in all my life"

And yet you swallow whole the mythic history of John McCain and company so I would guess that you have read and embedded huge ammounts of idiotic crap and your adherance to the official 9/11 story prooves that statement, I expect you'll be one of the very last to be convinced of your errors. There is no just war, the Germans had to be stopped by the exact same cabal that started them, if you'd have a look at something other than Readers Indigestion, but what's the chance of that your an invested participant.:smile: