Yep....most of the great thinkers I know are fond of tobacco and alcohol.........
And he was 77 years old.........
Geez, I Thought Mulroney Was a Conservative!
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Yep....most of the great thinkers I know are fond of tobacco and alcohol.........
And he was 77 years old.........
Some believe Nostradamus was high on drugs of some type ( one theory I remember reading ) when he made all his prophecies..
Looking back at those times it is well possible that he could have been as medicine was all herbs and roots..
Whether it was right or wrong at any given point in time one can predict an event that can eventually happen. It is such a picking lottery numbers and saying that in the future those numbers will be drawn.. Yes they eventually will as long as lotteries exist and even if they don't legally, illegal ones will still run in the underground and provide a source of "proof" to validate the prophecy.
In general what I am saying is that it does not make the person any more special..
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Just to clarify for everybody. Here's where many Progressive Conservatives who could not accept the new co-alition between Alliance and PC went:
Progressive Canadian Party, PC Party
Progressive Canadian Party, PC Party
And I wouldn't be surprised i some of them have gone to the Green Party. After all, the Greens are to the left of the Conservative Party and right of the Liberals.
I doubt that. I have heard of the Progressive Canadian Party, but it is an insignificant party, I assume very few of PC supporters went to Progressive Conservative Party (otherwise it would have won seats in an election).
Indeed, it is easy to see where many of the supporters went, in Québec anyway. They went to Bloc (and perhaps a few) to Liberals.
Mulroney had a huge following in Québec. Conservative Party was lucky to get 10 odd seats in Québec, and it looks like next time they may not get even that. So my guess is that most of PC supporters in Québec went to the Bloc.
As to rest of Canada, no doubt some of them went to Conservative Party (but I think their support for the Conservative Party is soft, and Liberals have a chance of prying it away). Some may have switched to Liberals.
.... or wise. lol I figure Ghandi was pretty wise, too, but not wise enough to duck. He was shot 3 times in the chest.
Tenzin Gyatso is a pretty wise dude, but not wise enough to be able to placate the Chinese gov't and still be able to be in Napal tending to whatever business he tends to. lol
Pope whatsisname's supposed to be wise, but then ......
So.....now a dead grandfather is responsible for the acts of the grandson......
Now, that is somewhat.........disingenuous, wouldn't you say?
Colpy, what I said was that the grandson learned at the knees of the grandfather. Younger Winston Churchill inherited the same attitudes towards blacks as his grandfather. His grandfather was opposed to giving India the independence. His grandson was opposed to giving blacks in South Africa the independence.
The issue may be different, but the outlook, the attitude is the same.
Now, that is somewhat.........disingenuous, wouldn't you say?
Colpy, what I said was that the grandson learned at the knees of the grandfather. Younger Winston Churchill inherited the same attitudes towards blacks as his grandfather. His grandfather was opposed to giving India the independence. His grandson was opposed to giving blacks in South Africa the independence.
The issue may be different, but the outlook, the attitude is the same.
.... or wise. lol I figure Ghandi was pretty wise, too, but not wise enough to duck. He was shot 3 times in the chest.
Tenzin Gyatso is a pretty wise dude, but not wise enough to be able to placate the Chinese gov't and still be able to be in Napal tending to whatever business he tends to. lol
Pope whatsisname's supposed to be wise, but then ......
Gandhi lived to a ripe old age of 78. He was a very wise man, a great philosopher (as well as a brilliant tactician and strategist in his nonviolent war against the British).
He may have decided that he had lived a long, fulfilled life; he had lived to a ripe old age. Why duck? Perhaps he wanted to go.
.... or wise. lol I figure Ghandi was pretty wise, too, but not wise enough to duck. He was shot 3 times in the chest.
Tenzin Gyatso is a pretty wise dude, but not wise enough to be able to placate the Chinese gov't and still be able to be in Napal tending to whatever business he tends to. lol
Pope whatsisname's supposed to be wise, but then ......
Some could argue that the most dunce of the mafia evade the bullet for the longest time and live a long and stressful life. These are not the "Dons" of the group but the lowest of the low that do the dirty work at the bottom of the pion scale..
If one is a target and visible of enough attention, one will be eventually found..
This of course is the biggest argument in why Osama has not been found yet Saddam was found in a hole barely visible ?
No one can yet explain this one because it is simply that Osama is more valuable alive then in custody.. When the time is right he will magically be found and be put to rest..
Without a doubt members of the Progressive Conservative Party would have reacted in different ways, not to mention some might have even changed ideology altogether. My point was though that for those Progressive Conservatives who intended to continue along the principles of the Progressive Conservative Party regardless of their chances of winning, the Progressive Canadian Party is in fact its continuation.
That party was designed specifically with the end in mind of keeping to the principles of the Progressive Conservative Party, so that should come as no surprise.
The reason for the name change is legal. Legally, the Progressive Conservative Party has joined in a Co-alition with the Canadian Alliance Party. For htis reason, the name coudl not be taken by another party, and so the Progressive Canadian Party had no choice but to change its name. But for all ideological intents and purposes, the Progressive Canadian Party is in fact the ideological continuation of the Progrssive Conservatives.
And your great-grandfather, and mine, were probably the same.......so what is your point?
That a man is a part of his culture and time does not tarnish his greatness.....perfection exists only in the mind of God.........(according to Plato)
Was Lincoln any less a great man because he wanted to ship the blacks back to Africa? Was Jefferson not a great man because he owned slaves?
think again.
The times are no excuse, Colpie. Even in the late 1800's we had Persians who were speaking out for women's equality while women even in the West had no voting rights. They were promoting the equality of the races, equality of religion, etc. while Churchill was still a young boy.
Sure they were persecuted, and the IRanian authorities never accepted these ideas, but the point is people who wanted to accept them could.
In England and the US likewise, there notable persons of the time who were not enslaved by the popular ideas of their time. Some were more progresive than many today.
So no, Churchill's time was no excuse. Though his upbrininging in a snobbish aristocratic family might have been.
Sure they were persecuted, and the IRanian authorities never accepted these ideas, but the point is people who wanted to accept them could.
In England and the US likewise, there notable persons of the time who were not enslaved by the popular ideas of their time. Some were more progresive than many today.
So no, Churchill's time was no excuse. Though his upbrininging in a snobbish aristocratic family might have been.
Strokes are so much fun. Especially for great thinkers.Yep....most of the great thinkers I know are fond of tobacco and alcohol.........
And he was 77 years old.........
Was Lincoln any less a great man because he wanted to ship the blacks back to Africa? Was Jefferson not a great man because he owned slaves?
Copy, there is a big difference between Lincoln, Jefferson on the one hand and Churchill on the other.
Lincoln, Jefferson were progressive, liberal for their times. They may be found wanting by today’s standards. However, they must be judged according to the society they lived in. And they would properly be considered liberals in their days.
Churchill on the other hand is a different story. At his time, there were others who supported giving independence to India, Churchill opposed it. Churchill was a conservative even by his society standards. When it came to giving independence to colonies (and there was a sea change after Hitler, if something good could be said to come out of Third Reich, it was that it drove imperialism out of fashion, after world war 2, European countries slowly started pulling out of their colonies), Churchill was on the wrong side of the issue, he was found wanting. He was not a progressive, liberal by the standards of his days.
No, as I said before, he was a great war time PM, but left a lot to be desired during peace times.
Copy, there is a big difference between Lincoln, Jefferson on the one hand and Churchill on the other.
Lincoln, Jefferson were progressive, liberal for their times. They may be found wanting by today’s standards. However, they must be judged according to the society they lived in. And they would properly be considered liberals in their days.
Churchill on the other hand is a different story. At his time, there were others who supported giving independence to India, Churchill opposed it. Churchill was a conservative even by his society standards. When it came to giving independence to colonies (and there was a sea change after Hitler, if something good could be said to come out of Third Reich, it was that it drove imperialism out of fashion, after world war 2, European countries slowly started pulling out of their colonies), Churchill was on the wrong side of the issue, he was found wanting. He was not a progressive, liberal by the standards of his days.
No, as I said before, he was a great war time PM, but left a lot to be desired during peace times.
"you're idealistic and a Democrat in your 20's and you're a fool
if you don't change to a Republican in your 40's"
"If you're not a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If
you're not a conservative when you're 40, you have no head."
This quotation is frequently but mistakenly attributed to Churchill.
It is anyway unlikely that Churchill would subscribe to this
philosophy: He was a swashbuckling soldier at 20, and a Conservative
member of Parliament at 25. A couple of years later he switched to the
Liberal Party (which was not liberal in the modern sense), and later
went back to the Conservatives.
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if you don't change to a Republican in your 40's"
"If you're not a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If
you're not a conservative when you're 40, you have no head."
This quotation is frequently but mistakenly attributed to Churchill.
It is anyway unlikely that Churchill would subscribe to this
philosophy: He was a swashbuckling soldier at 20, and a Conservative
member of Parliament at 25. A couple of years later he switched to the
Liberal Party (which was not liberal in the modern sense), and later
went back to the Conservatives.
Google Answers: Winston Churchill quotes