Gaytown In The Big Smoke Is Dying

[karrie]

I think the crux of pgs's question was how do they have children natually. Saying that having children natually through invitro or adoption is how things are is playing fast and loose with semantics.

I simply said they were moving away to raise their kids, pgs is the one who decided to bring 'how' into it, and pop the word 'naturally' into the issue. She can carry on that argument with herself all she wants. A lesbian can easily conceive through a variety of methods, and gay men can adopt. Plain and simple. I for one never attempted to say you need to like it, but, disliking it also doesn't change the way it happens. I will simply reiterate what I replied to pgs....

A gay couple can have children through the same variety of methods as any other couple who can't conceive naturally.

 

[petros]

Quoting bobnoorduyn I think the crux of pgs's question was how do they have children natually. Saying that having children natually through invitro or adoption is how things are is playing fast and loose with semantics.​

Birds and bees Bobby....birds and bees.

If you are gay or lesbian you uterus and penis still work normally. Didn't you know that?

How do you think single straights get pregnant? immaculate conception?

Many many many gays and lesbians come out long after they been married and have kids.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

Birds and bees Bobby....birds and bees.

If you are gay or lesbian you uterus and penis still work normally. Didn't you know that?

Just like a car works normally even if driven by a 6 year old, but I don't think that was the point.

How do you think single straights get pregnant? immaculate conception?

Quite often by accident.

Many many many gays and lesbians come out long after they been married and have kids.

And I suppose that makes for more well adjusted children than come from hetero relationships broken up by a philandering spouse?:roll:

 

[petros]

Ever heard of bi-sexuals?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I think the crux of pgs's question was how do they have children natually. Saying that having children natually through invitro or adoption is how things are is playing fast and loose with semantics.

And just why is it important to have children naturally, bob? There are many areas where we utilize artificial means. We don’t let a patient with diabetes or cancer die by not giving him medical treatment, that would be the ‘natural’ thing to do.

We don’t let children go without vaccinations, and let them battle diseases such as mumps, measles, polio etc, on their own, that would be the ‘natural’ thing to do.

We build levees, barricades etc. to keep the rivers, or lakes out of towns. We don’t leave them without barricades and chance it when there is flooding, that would be the ‘natural’ thing to do.

So what is so great about having children naturally (incidentally, by this definition, we should never perform Caesarian, that is also unnatural) that we should relegate a minority of the population to sub human status because they cannot have children ‘naturally’? What is so great about having children ‘naturally’?

Also, by this definition, should heterosexuals who cannot have children ‘naturally’ not get married?

 

[AnnaG]

I think the crux of pgs's question was how do they have children natually. Saying that having children natually through invitro or adoption is how things are is playing fast and loose with semantics.

If society in general disagreed with me then we wouldn't have a class every year explaining what we can and cannot say in the workplace, in public or in print, or even in private conversation within earshot of someone who may be offended. Privately I have found fewer than 10% of my co-workers and collegues that would agree with you, this even where non compliance is subject to severe penalties.

Personally I don't really care what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home. Being forced by the heavy hand of the state to agree with it is what I find particularly offensive.

If people would stick to their own business in the first place, like you do, it wouldn't even be an issue for the government. But unfortunately, there are a whole pile of people out and about that make it their business to interfere in everyone else's lives with their personal set of morals and values. They create a big enough stink that the gov'ts have to get involved and as we are a half mob rule/half oligarchy, sometimes the mob gets its wish and sometimes the few at the apex of the heap get their wish.

 

[AnnaG]

Then I must know something about you because that is a fairly polarized view, not to mention that it is a general and broad indictment.

Yeah, you see my viewpoint on people as being people. I don't really see where "poles" have anything to do with it. As for any human thinking they are any better than anyone else goes, they are hypocrites. Again, I can't see where "poles" have anything to do with it. As for a broad indictment, yes, I agree, people in general are hypocrites.

 

[AnnaG]

I simply said they were moving away to raise their kids, pgs is the one who decided to bring 'how' into it, and pop the word 'naturally' into the issue. She can carry on that argument with herself all she wants. A lesbian can easily conceive through a variety of methods, and gay men can adopt. Plain and simple. I for one never attempted to say you need to like it, but, disliking it also doesn't change the way it happens. I will simply reiterate what I replied to pgs....

A gay couple can have children through the same variety of methods as any other couple who can't conceive naturally.

Not only that , but there have been lesbians who bit the bullet and have conceived the "normal" way.

 

[AnnaG]

Just like a car works normally even if driven by a 6 year old, but I don't think that was the point.



Quite often by accident.



And I suppose that makes for more well adjusted children than come from hetero relationships broken up by a philandering spouse?:roll:

That depends on a variety of variables. Lots of kids grew up without parents at all. Lots grew up without one parent or the other. Dysfunctional marriages don't necessarily beget dysfunctional kids.

 

[karrie]

Not only that , but there have been lesbians who bit the bullet and have conceived the "normal" way.

I don't bother to point that out, because there are many who mistakenly think that makes them not 'real' lesbians.

 

[AnnaG]

I don't bother to point that out, because there are many who mistakenly think that makes them not 'real' lesbians.

lol Well, I guess I let the pussy out of the bag. ooops