Gays say Alberta’s Bill 44 discriminatory

[L Gilbert]

"Yep. Butt and a$$ are interchangEable. (I wouldn't mention anyone else's spelling if I were you. But then I am not you, fortunately..... I'm not a misanthrope)."

I was sure you wouldn't be able to figure it out. In your particular case, a$$ and brains are totally interchangable.

hehehe Then my ass has many times the brains that your dimwitted ol noggin has.

Whenever your spelling is as good in your second language as it is my second language you may sound off with your platitudes. Just see your own quote.

*shrugs* You are the nitwit that brought up spelling, not me.

It will never happen. You could not learn another language to save your life.

Nope. I can do calculus, proofread/copyedit books & articles, make an aerial unit talk, run a pumpertruck, fight fires in town or in the bush, make a D-6 cat dance, take heavy machinery apart/fix it/reassemble it, grow vegetables, fall trees, hit bulleyes at 300 meters with a .22, at 1200 meters with a .338, but I can't do much more than remember a few words in a half dozen languages.
So what did you do besides root around in the ground for pretty rocks? Get booted out of forums? Is that your hobby or something?

 

[Cannuck]

I don't care what people want to do in their bedrooms, but I really don't want to hear about it, and I'm pretty sure my son isn't particularly interested in what two men do behind closed doors either.

You and your son needn't worry then. They won't tell him what the men do behind closed doors. They might explain why gays need to be protected from people like you and that is about as far as it goes.

 

[Ariadne]

You and your son needn't worry then. They won't tell him what the men do behind closed doors. They might explain why gays need to be protected from people like you and that is about as far as it goes.

Seems to me that the church, rather than the school, teaches tolerance, acceptance, "love thy neighbour", and all that stuff. If gay people need protection, more people should go to church and schools should stick to whatever it is that teachers learn in teacher school. I'm pretty sure tolerance and acceptance isn't at the top of that list.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

Where do all these Luddites come from? I thought they weren't allowed to use computers....

Its not that they aren't allowed, they just don't like to.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

Long before kids are in junior high school, they know what orientation they are.

What?! They didn't know squat at that age for my generation, and nothing indicates that they know any more today, (except what is pumped into them by advertisers, the propaganda machine, and the video babysitter). When they hit junior high and high school they know even less once those hormones start heating up.

 

[Cliffy]

Seems to me that the church, rather than the school, teaches tolerance, acceptance, "love thy neighbour", and all that stuff. If gay people need protection, more people should go to church and schools should stick to whatever it is that teachers learn in teacher school. I'm pretty sure tolerance and acceptance isn't at the top of that list.

But in practice churches and their parishioners are rarely tolerant of anybody outside their narrow dogmatic belief systems. Tolerance is usually taught in Kindergarten and unlearned in church.

 

[TenPenny]

What?! They didn't know squat at that age for my generation, and nothing indicates that they know any more today, (except what is pumped into them by advertisers, the propaganda machine, and the video babysitter). When they hit junior high and high school they know even less once those hormones start heating up.

That might be true of your generation, but I can tell you, from watching the kids around here, it's pretty obvious that most of them know exactly how they swing by the time they hit grade 6 or 7. Some advertise it, some don't.

 

[Ariadne]

But in practice churches and their parishioners are rarely tolerant of anybody outside their narrow dogmatic belief systems. Tolerance is usually taught in Kindergarten and unlearned in church.

If tolerance can't be taught in church, what are the chances that it can be taught in the public schools.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

But in practice churches and their parishioners are rarely tolerant of anybody outside their narrow dogmatic belief systems.

That is certainly true in some cases, but not all, I have other reasons I don't attend, but anyway...

Tolerance is usually taught in Kindergarten and unlearned in church.

You didn't go to my school 8O. But people do tend to confuse tolerance with acceptance. I tolerate a neighbour's barking dog by not throwing things at it. By accepting it I would be more or less embracing it. What I find nost interesting is that those who enthusiastically espouse tolerance are the most intolerant of opposing viewpoints.

 

[Ariadne]

That might be true of your generation, but I can tell you, from watching the kids around here, it's pretty obvious that most of them know exactly how they swing by the time they hit grade 6 or 7. Some advertise it, some don't.

That's a bit like saying that people have a sexual orientation before their physiology (hormones) for sexuality has developed. Isn't that a bit out of order? First there has to be some hormones, next there should be some sexual attraction. Or are you suggesting that 11 and 12 year olds are going through puberty?

 

[lone wolf]

That's a bit like saying that people have a sexual orientation before their physiology (hormones) for sexuality has developed. Isn't that a bit out of order? First there has to be some hormones, next there should be some sexual attraction. Or are you suggesting that 11 and 12 year olds are going through puberty?

Puberty? They have TV and hormone burgers....

 

[Dexter Sinister]

The schools should be educating our children about facts: how to write, how to read, how to write an essay, how to calculate area, etcetera. When it comes to social issues like sex, religion, and other opinions, ...

You know, there *are* facts about sex, religion, drugs, and similar matters, and they're perfectly legitimate topics for a public school curriculum. You're also quite wrong to think that schools should be imparting only facts. They should be teaching how to think, not what to think. It might be nice if family could be the major educator and influence, but a lot of parents abdicate that role and expect the schools to fill in for them. Leaving those subjects out of the curriculum is not a solution, it ensures only that the children will be ignorant of some pretty important issues. Allowing parents to pull their children out of lessons on those subjects does the same thing, for those particular children, but don't think they won't hear about the subjects in the schoolyard. And what is a teacher to do if a question pertinent to those proscribed topics comes up in a discussion about other matters, refuse to talk about it because it wasn't in the plan and the parents weren't informed? That doesn't seem reasonable to me, it's censoring the kinds of classroom discussion the teacher can allow.

What information would your children get from you about homosexuality? A school is likely to cover basic facts about it, like it exists, it's not a lifestyle choice, it's not going to go away, and it's not a reason for discrimination. From you they'll get value judgments, and that's fine, that's part of being a parent, but from your posts in this thread I'd expect they'd also learn from you that it's a very bad thing, which is not true, it's just the way some people are and there's nothing to be done about it.

Similarly, drug information should not be in the schools.

That, I think is just dumb. The schools are where the drugs are, they can't just ignore it.

 

[Ariadne]

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From you they'll get value judgments, and that's fine, that's part of being a parent, but from your posts in this thread I'd expect they'd also learn from you that it's a very bad thing, which is not true, it's just the way some people are and there's nothing to be done about it.
That, I think is just dumb. The schools are where the drugs are, they can't just ignore it.

Why do you think I would teach that homosexuality is a bad thing. All I've said is that I don't want to know what two men do in their bedrooms, and I don't care what they do in their bedrooms. What are you projecting onto me based on those statements?

 

[TenPenny]

That's a bit like saying that people have a sexual orientation before their physiology (hormones) for sexuality has developed. Isn't that a bit out of order? First there has to be some hormones, next there should be some sexual attraction. Or are you suggesting that 11 and 12 year olds are going through puberty?

I don't know how many 11 and 12 year olds you've seen lately, but I know a number who are going through puberty.

And that aside, I have met people whose orientation was clear from an early age (5 or 6).

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Why do you think I would teach that homosexuality is a bad thing.

You may deny it, but it seems pretty clear that you think it is. Your rhetoric about it is a little overblown, judgmental, and emotional, and you make strong--and so far unjustified--claims about exactly what the schools are teaching on the subject. For instance:

"Gay people object to this because it means some children won't think being gay is perfectly normal ... what a shame ... not."

"There's something different about gay people ... and I don't know what it is ... but what is normal is heterosexual relationships." [What's different is that they're gay.]

"I thought they were part of the circus, and it wasn't until much later that I put 2 and 2 together. Schools don't need to educate children about things like that."

"Two guys want to rub their bodies all over each other and we're supposed to say it's normal? I say BS. It ain't normal, and I don't want anyone telling my children it's normal, and I say take it to the bedroom and quit sticking it in everyone's face. "

"Natural? I don't think so. Should I say that because a monkey can't tell the difference between a male and a female, humans should make the same mistake?"

"On a lighter note, how about those homos."

You seem to miss a key point: any randomly chosen population of human beings will have a certain percentage of homosexuals in it, and that by definition means it *is* normal.

 

[Ariadne]

You win. I'll be sort of politically correct like everyone else ... that way no one will accuse me of lacking credibility or wanting to teach bad things about homos.

Homos are good. Homos are normal. Young children should learn that homos are normal, natural, and God meant Adam and Steve, Wilma and Eve when some goofball wrote the Bible and mentioned Adam and Eve.

As for children that bully other children in schools by calling them gay ... whatever ... children intuitively know it's a complement, and the ever so learned teachers concur. In fact, since the teachers know there's nothing wrong with being gay, they don't intervene when a child is bullied and called gay. In fact, the child that committed suicide recently in the states because he was bullied and called gay was imagining things ... clearly the teachers knew there was nothing wrong with those types of comments - it's normal - so they did nothing.

Am I getting it right yet?

Cheers

 

[lone wolf]

You win. I'll be sort of politically correct like everyone else ... that way no one will accuse me of lacking credibility or wanting to teach bad things about homos.

Homos are good. Homos are normal. Young children should learn that homos are normal, natural, and God meant Adam and Steve, Wilma and Eve when some goofball wrote the Bible and mentioned Adam and Eve.

As for children that bully other children in schools by calling them gay ... whatever ... children intuitively know it's a complement, and the ever so learned teachers concur. In fact, since the teachers know there's nothing wrong with being gay, they don't intervene when a child is bullied and called gay. In fact, the child that committed suicide recently in the states because he was bullied and called gay was imagining things ... clearly the teachers knew there was nothing wrong with those types of comments - it's normal - so they did nothing.

Am I getting it right yet?

Cheers

Only if making yourself look like a pouting spoiled brat is getting it right....

 

[Ariadne]

"The April 6 suicide of an 11 year old boy who suffered anti-gay taunts and bullying at school marked the fourth such incident this year in which a student killed himself after suffering harassment.

Now the number has grown to five with the hanging death of Jeheem Herrera ...

The friend added, "’He is tired of telling the teachers and the staff, and they never do anything about the problems. So, the only way out is by killing himself.’"

Another 11-Year-Old Commits Suicide: Anti-Gay Taunts Cited :: EDGE Boston

Maybe the teachers need the education, not the children.

 

[Ariadne]

Only if making yourself look like a pouting spoiled brat is getting it right....

Not pouting ... full of sarcasm that any attempt to discuss whether teachers are able or qualified to educate children about morals and ethics bing bongs backs to suggestions that I am insensitive to gays and lack credibility.

 

[Ariadne]

Somehow, I doubt that bullying is a foreign concept to many here.