Future of the Conservative Party

Does the Conservative Party still have a future in Canadian Politics?

  • If you were a Conservative last week, are you still a Conservative today?

    Votes: 5 35.7%
  • If you weren't a Conservative last week, are you now a Conservative today?

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • If you were you a Conservative last week, are you still a Conservative?

    Votes: 2 14.3%
  • If you weren't a Conservative last week, are you still not a Conservative?

    Votes: 6 42.9%
  • Other: If so, please feel free to explain.

    Votes: 1 7.1%

  • Total voters
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Risus

Genius
May 24, 2006
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Toronto
The Libs get funding on their OWN?
Risus, the Liberals are the ones who implemented the $1.95 per vote, Harper wants to take it from the opposition and keep it for him self, you call that democracy, go on and cheer for a goof who would rather start war then make things work.....
Harper and Jim are done well done......bordering burned....:lol::lol::lol:

You don't even understand the facts. ALL PARTIES WOULD LOSE. How the hell do you dream up bs the Harper would keep it all for himself???

Any way, it seems that Bay Street is not happy with the libs and that some libs have decided not to show up for the non confidence vote. It seems that it might blow up in the three stooges faces before it even gets going...
 

scratch

Senate Member
May 20, 2008
5,658
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Rs,
In my personal opinion your info is not substantiated.

Proof of this would be nice.

rgs
scratch
 

Tyr

Council Member
Nov 27, 2008
2,152
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Sitting at my laptop
Harper and Jim are done well done......bordering burned....:lol::lol::lol:

Who would you pick for the new leader of the Cons? I'd go with Prentice. At least he doesn't get tarred and feathered with the same brush Harper does.

Conservatives being who they are though, will probably pick some mental midget like Baird
 

Inteligento

New Member
Feb 13, 2008
49
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Ontario
Twenty years ago I considered myself N.D.P. but came to the conclusion that party will only work in a society where everyone wants to do his share and a wee bit more. Since then I don't subscribe to any of them, just vote for the least odorous candidate in my riding regardless of party.

Thats the best way to vote ( for the person you think best represents your sentiments)

That may be non of the above. Remember Brewster's Millions the movie.

I always tried to be independent from any one party but reality set in and I realized that I don't want a shoe maker running the country, unless, he was a successful business person that knows how to build a country as much as building a business while respecting our personal freedoms and preserving our way of life.
 

Socrates the Greek

I Remember them....
Apr 15, 2006
4,968
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Harper and Jim are done well done......bordering burned....:lol::lol::lol:

Who would you pick for the new leader of the Cons? I'd go with Prentice. At least he doesn't get tarred and feathered with the same brush Harper does.

Conservatives being who they are though, will probably pick some mental midget like Baird
Good evening Tyr, Baird would be the exact copy of Harper, plus if he got waving his arms at question piriod he may loose his hair Piece......:lol:
 

Inteligento

New Member
Feb 13, 2008
49
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Ontario
If I was the GG I would tell the coalition :3some:they could have there way if the wish to form a new party and have an election ASAP. until then the Cons :canada: can run a provisional government.
 
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Socrates the Greek

I Remember them....
Apr 15, 2006
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You don't even understand the facts. ALL PARTIES WOULD LOSE. How the hell do you dream up bs the Harper would keep it all for himself???

Any way, it seems that Bay Street is not happy with the libs and that some libs have decided not to show up for the non confidence vote. It seems that it might blow up in the three stooges faces before it even gets going...

OK he won't keep all the doe but the idea was to bank-rob the opposition so he would be realizing a financial advantage........Tell me that is wrong...............
 

damngrumpy

Executive Branch Member
Mar 16, 2005
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kelowna bc
Don't need an election, the members of the House and all the cabinet positions are to be held by elected member of the commons. Under parliamentary law we elect
a parliament, we do not elect a prime minister, the party members elect their leader. We do not elect a cabinet, they are appointed by the leader, who is elected by the party members and as the winning party becomes the prime minister. Therefore if the coalitiion has the largest number of elected reps, which would be the coalition duly elected by the people. In any event, even if the Tories were to stay in power, he will not survive in the political arena and in the end it will see him step aside
If by chance there were to be an election, the coalition will run candidates, that
will not oppose each other leaving the conservatives alone to face the other parties like a two party run offs. and in quebec, it wll see the Bloc not running candidates
in NDP or Liberal ridings leaving Bloc against Tory and that would wipe Harper out.
Remember this coalition is Liberal and NDP only the Bloc will support them but will
not be part of the coalition itself
 

Graeme

Electoral Member
Jun 5, 2006
349
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And last election, I was tempted to vote Green (socially progressive and economically conservative)


Maybe that was the case 10 years ago, but in recent times (especially with E-May) the Green party is very economically left.

I think they always were really, they just pretended not to be. I don't see how most of their policies could be implemented without massive central financing.

It was really just something they said because they wanted to try and appear level headed and not as some hippy-party with only grand delusions to stand on.
 

Graeme

Electoral Member
Jun 5, 2006
349
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Don't need an election, the members of the House and all the cabinet positions are to be held by elected member of the commons. Under parliamentary law we elect
a parliament, we do not elect a prime minister, the party members elect their leader. We do not elect a cabinet, they are appointed by the leader, who is elected by the party members and as the winning party becomes the prime minister. Therefore if the coalitiion has the largest number of elected reps, which would be the coalition duly elected by the people. In any event, even if the Tories were to stay in power, he will not survive in the political arena and in the end it will see him step aside
If by chance there were to be an election, the coalition will run candidates, that
will not oppose each other leaving the conservatives alone to face the other parties like a two party run offs. and in quebec, it wll see the Bloc not running candidates
in NDP or Liberal ridings leaving Bloc against Tory and that would wipe Harper out.
Remember this coalition is Liberal and NDP only the Bloc will support them but will
not be part of the coalition itself

You do realize a coalition government in the current parliament would have less seats than just the conservative party in opposition right??? but seeing as we are talking about our parliamentary democracy and you seem to think a coalition in this case is justified then let’s look at some things.

first 143 seats is 46.4% (the two independents which are practically conservatives make that 47%, but we will exclude them) That means that the conservative party represents 46.4% of the population. Whether you like it or not, THAT is how our first past the post parliamentary democracy works.

(There is no mystical 62% popular vote representation in parliament for the 3 coalition parties I don't know where this number comes from that the pro-co rallies had signs about.)

In fact popular vote for the 3 parties was only 54.4%, but this number doesn't even mean anything the real number is 36.7% of the seats. That means that the current government represents 10% more than a coalition gov. would.


Now on to your mystical election results.... First there is no chance in hell that the Liberals and the NDP will form a coalition during an election, if you haven't noticed (with the exception of Dion and Rae) the Liberal party tends to be centre in economics, and centre left in social policy (Jean, and Paul were centre right... Rae is left, Dion centre LEFT, and I don't know where Igantif stands, but I would guess centre - centre right). Whereas the NDP are LEFT LEFT in economics and social policy.

Those are very different positions and cannot be rectified for an election, most Canadians especially thinking of the economy these days, wouldn't go near a party which is 1/3rd NDP.

The Bloc are separatists and OBVIOUSLY aren't going to run a coalition with federalist parties. PLUS The bloc is actually VERY RIGHT economically at the federal level (because they want Quebec to decide what happens with all taxes and money, although if they were to be running Quebec finance they would be centre left I believe) The point is whatever you are smoking is WAY too strong if you think a bloc coalition with any other federalist party during an election is even a remote possibility.


But ignoring all sensibility let’s say they do run a coalition for an election, (I don't even know where to start for ANY policy though).

Do you think Separatists are going to vote for a Liberal P.M. Who has some economic whispers from the NDP saying tax more and pool it in Ottawa, not to mention with his own party telling him also to pool any money in Ottawa for FEDERAL SERVICES?? or do you think they would vote conservative who have a policy allowing the provinces to have more of a say in what to do with federal income. Not to mention the NDP portion of the party demanding social policy that tries to make everyone the same Quebecers in general HATE the NDP for that.

Do you think Ontario and Quebec (centre economically/federalist) would vote for a party who has the whisperings of not only the tax more NDP but now of separatists trying to break their closest neighbor, or their own province off from the country? or do you think they will vote for the conservatives, centre right (very prudent for an economic crisis time) and also very federalist party, not at the whim of a separatist party.

the LEFT just might like this coalition they will see it (although through beer goggles) as the first time they have ever had a real chance of holding any real power) even though they will be pissed at all the centre and centre right policy that comes from their fellow coalition M.P.s

and last anyone who is AT ALL centre right to RIGHT, well I guess we know who they are going to vote for!

B.C. would have 4 coalition seats maybe I will give them 1, 0 in Alberta, sask, Manitoba maybe 1, Ontario and Quebec maybe 6 total, the Islands I'll say 1.
I think we would see Coalition 13 seats, Conservatives 293, independent 2.

as for popular vote, probably around 75% to 25%. remember this fictional coalition would include possible government from all 3 parties.... take out the bloc and just say that they will support the other two parties in coalition maybe we will be looking at 65%-35%

yeah I'd love to see that.


AS IT STANDS, just with the mention of the coalition like this the conservatives are at 46% popular, that means 170-180 seats.

By any chance are you going to apply for a strategists job for one of those parties because I would be happy to recommend you as best I could.
 

Graeme

Electoral Member
Jun 5, 2006
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oh right one other thing, I remember a party being on the ballet, and MOST yes MOST Canadians vote according to party not the local candidate. Coalition was not an option, in fact it was explicitly ruled out by both Dion and Jacky.
 

mit

Electoral Member
Nov 26, 2008
273
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All parties morph in to different beings once in government -
Who would have thought the Liberals under Jean Chretein would become deficit fighters - Who would have thought the Conservatives under Harper would become free spending electioneers - Who would have thought the Ontario NDP under Bob Rae would have brought in short pay weeks and legislation that puts workers third in line to collect money when a company goes belly up?