Friday's Canadian job report is NOT good news!

Angstrom

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Lol snap. Uou guys made it funny just now :laughing3:

Hats off fellows. I solut you both ;)
 

Cannuck

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Too bad no one will give you a decent one!

Nobody needs to "give" me anything. That's your generation that liked the handouts.

I couldn't stand 5 minutes with the supercilious, egotistical TWIT!

That's obvious. You don't like smart people

How staunchly Conservative of you. "I got mine, f*ck everyone else".

Nothing is preventing people from moving to where the jobs are...other than their own lack of ambition.

If anybody on this board is looking to relocate, I will personally pay for a greyhound ticket and offer them a bed for a month. That even goes for JLMs mentally challenged son.
 

Machjo

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It's going to get worse. Automation is about to hit all sorts of sectors from accountancy to truck and taxi driving. It's not the Chinese, not the Mexicans doing that. It is us doing it to ourselves with our own technological excellence. The problem is that our system has not caught up with the problem of suddenly having to care for what has historically been the most productive part of our civilization. Our vestigial Calvinism won't allow us to pay people to do nothing but both white collar and blue collar jobs are falling like bowling pins, never to be replaced and, unless some provision is made for those people, they will tear the whole edifice down, someday. Trump can't do bugger all to turn it around but those angry, disenfranchised workers have been conned by him into thinking that he can ... hence the scapegoating of Mexico, etc.

So this will result in a shortage of jobs in the computer programming field (given that robots are directed by computer programmes), but we'd rather pay people social assistance for ever rather than pay a little more to trades or professional education in the short to medium term so as to get them back into the job market paying more taxes than before.

But someone has to build/repair all those robots.

But someone needs to be qualified to build/repair them.
 

JLM

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That even goes for JLMs mentally challenged son.


You really are one f**king ignorant son of a bitch. Not just ignorant but also f**king stupid. When it comes to smarts my son is light years ahead of you. When he worked in the patch he was pulling in better than 100 grand some years. So go f**k yourself, you little A$$hole!
 

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So this will result in a shortage of jobs in the computer programming field (given that robots are directed by computer programmes), but we'd rather pay people social assistance for ever rather than pay a little more to trades or professional education in the short to medium term so as to get them back into the job market paying more taxes than before.

My (youngest) fourteen year old son is a computer hobbiest who has built a few of them, by now (gave him a Raspberry Pi 3 for Christmas, for him to play around with). Anyway, he has competed with Lego Robotics, generally fooled around with the technology. He is going to a local high school with a good robotics program, next year which I encourage but do not push. Anyway, it's the future. He'll be in the work force (hopefully) for most of the twenty first century and if you're not creating the machines, you will be replaced by them.

There is no adjustment to Capitalism is sight that will change the relationship between work and workers, so there will likely be a small elite cadre of people with jobs and a massive underclass with next to nothing, picking over that land fills for cast-offs, etc. all over North America. The ruling class will be!ieve that they are deserving of their fate. We are returning to feudalism.
 

Machjo

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My (youngest) fourteen year old son is a computer hobbiest who has built a few of them, by now (gave him a Raspberry Pi 3 for Christmas, for him to play around with). Anyway, he has competed with Lego Robotics, generally fooled around with the technology. He is going to a local high school with a good robotics program, next year which I encourage but do not push. Anyway, it's the future. He'll be in the work force (hopefully) for most of the twenty first century and if you're not creating the machines, you will be replaced by them.

There is no adjustment to Capitalism is sight that will change the relationship between work and workers, so there will likely be a small elite cadre of people with jobs and a massive underclass with next to nothing, picking over that land fills for cast-offs, etc. all over North America. The ruling class will be!ieve that they are deserving of their fate. We are returning to feudalism.

I disagree. Machines will never produce literature. They simply cannot write poems, song lyrics, screen or any other kind of plays, short stories, or novels for example. A machine could nevr replace a judge in a courtroom since the moral factors that the judge must balance simply cannot be programmed into a computer. Military robots will never be gibven the authority to decide for themselves when to shoot in all cases and so will always need a human soldier to press the firing button.

Machines will make our lives easier, and people will need to learn to interact with the machines, since that is the future whether we like it or not. But never will machines be able to replace all jobs. Machines can make complex mathematical calculations in a blink of an eye, but no machine can produce unique art since that defies mathematics. In short, anything that mathematics alone cannot solve, a machine won't be able to either. So there will always be plenty of jobs avaiable besides just building and fixing computers and programming them, though admittedly even jobs that require a more human touch wil probably still rely increasingly on machines to handle the mathematical portion of the job.

Machine translation will likewise never be reliable since some parts of language extend beyond simple mathematics, such as puns as a clear but not unique example of these. In the end, a human will need to decide what meaning was intended.

Any job that can be crunched into a mathematical formula, you can kiss that job good by, since that's what machines are good at: mathematics.

Nobody needs to "give" me anything. That's your generation that liked the handouts.



That's obvious. You don't like smart people



Nothing is preventing people from moving to where the jobs are...other than their own lack of ambition.

If anybody on this board is looking to relocate, I will personally pay for a greyhound ticket and offer them a bed for a month. That even goes for JLMs mentally challenged son.

I presume you've never won a prize for diplomacy, have you.

Machines will never produce a decent new melody either.
 

Machjo

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Too many tech jobs. Get out there like men and swing a hammer for fukks sake before your muscles turn to mush saps.

Are you proposing we legally prohibit companies from swtiching to machines? Or are you proposing that workers criminally sabotage any attempt at introducing new machines by smashing them with hammers? Hmmmm....?
 

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Are you proposing we legally prohibit companies from swtiching to machines? Or are you proposing that workers criminally sabotage any attempt at introducing new machines by smashing them with hammers? Hmmmm....?
Get off your mushy butt and break a sweat Machjo. Your azz is going to glue itself to the computer chair and after the atrophy sets in you'll look like a fukkin bean pole. Get to work sap.
 

Machjo

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Get off your mushy butt and break a sweat Machjo. Your azz is going to glue itself to the computer chair and after the atrophy sets in you'll look like a fukkin bean pole. Get to work sap.

So I'm supposed to quit my job for a less-well-paying job because the less-well-paying job allows me to swing a hammer?
 

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How staunchly Conservative of you. "I got mine, f*ck everyone else".

That is what we get from the rich retirees from elsewhere in Canada that come to our island and then complain about the chunk of ground next to their brand spanking new subdivision getting turned into yet another subdivision. ANd then they tell those of us that have been here forever that we must stop all industry because it is interfering with their retirement lifestyle.
 

taxslave

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So this will result in a shortage of jobs in the computer programming field (given that robots are directed by computer programmes), but we'd rather pay people social assistance for ever rather than pay a little more to trades or professional education in the short to medium term so as to get them back into the job market paying more taxes than before.



But someone needs to be qualified to build/repair them.

That is why we have trade schools.

So I'm supposed to quit my job for a less-well-paying job because the less-well-paying job allows me to swing a hammer?

But if you work for a living you don't need a gym membership so there is a huge savings right there.
 

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That is what we get from the rich retirees from elsewhere in Canada that come to our island and then complain about the chunk of ground next to their brand spanking new subdivision getting turned into yet another subdivision. ANd then they tell those of us that have been here forever that we must stop all industry because it is interfering with their retirement lifestyle.

they like to buy the high ground with a view
we call them the dicktators
 

taxslave

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they like to buy the high ground with a view
we call them the dicktators

Thats because the previous bunch drove up the price of waterfront that only drug dealers and lawyers can afford it. Certainly no one that earns an honest living could buy it or pay the taxes now.
 

Cannuck

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... When it comes to smarts my son is light years ahead of you. When he worked in the patch he was pulling in better than 100 grand some years. So go f**k yourself, you little A$$hole!

Sure he did.

Look, $15/hr working on an assembly line sucks. I can help the poor guy improve his lot. It'll be a challenge given he has your DNA but I don't know anybody that isn't making better than $15/hour so it shouldn't be impossible.

Of course, if he also has a problem with laziness that might be a bigger problem. Is he lazy like you?
 

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Sure he did.

Look, $15/hr working on an assembly line sucks. I can help the poor guy improve his lot. It'll be a challenge given he has your DNA but I don't know anybody that isn't making better than $15/hour so it shouldn't be impossible.

Of course, if he also has a problem with laziness that might be a bigger problem. Is he lazy like you?
But of course you're still an idiot so why would any one care what you think you think ?
 

JLM

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But of course you're still an idiot so why would any one care what you think you think ?


Is he ever! But then 2/3 of the people on the forum recognize that. Where was "laziness" even previously mentioned? What wasn't previously mentioned is the fact the job is in the Okanagan and he just started at the job a 2 months ago and $15 an hour in the Okanagan is an average wage for non union employees. It's also no indication of his knowledge or ability, he previously worked in Northern AB for over 20 years pulling in $12 grand to $16 grand a month many times. Some people just go out of their way to be ignorant. Best to just ignore the pricks! :)