France Calls for Boosting of Ties with Iran

Kreskin

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Kreskin said:
They're all full of bs.

Possibly. when Chirac announced to the world, France will use nuclear weapons if they "felt" they had to, it went over everybody's head. Nobody even remembers it anymore. But when a President from Iran has screwball imams pulling his strings, I think it's a call to worry.

I know what you mean. My feeling is though that these guys up top don't mind having all the young kids blowing themselves up in the name of Islam, but if they were in the crosshairs of an American nuke they would kiss Allah goodbye and head for the highroad. They aren't as dumb as those they dupe.
 

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Look Bush is a moron, an idiot and a liar. He won't nuke Iran. This isn't WWII 60 years ago, and thousands of Americans are not dying in the Pacific. I understand that Iran is playing politics, as Bush is, but if Israel gets a whif of Iran getting close to becoming dangerous, nothing will stop them.
 

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ITN, I think we need to take those guys out for a drink. The UN should organize the worlds largest piss up. They'll be best buds after a dozen Canadian Clubs.
 

Kreskin

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I think they tried that at the Yalta Conference, see where it got us? :lol:

Hopefully it got us some good Russian vodka! :)
 

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ITN, I think we need to take those guys out for a drink. The UN should organize the worlds largest piss up. They'll be best buds after a dozen Canadian Clubs.

Or just give them some of our B.C. bud....Canada would become the best loved country in the world :D
 

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gc said:
Kreskin said:
ITN, I think we need to take those guys out for a drink. The UN should organize the worlds largest piss up. They'll be best buds after a dozen Canadian Clubs.

Or just give them some of our B.C. bud....Canada would become the best loved country in the world :D

Ha ha, we could have a BC Bud - Afghan Opium smoke off!
 

Kreskin

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I think that was Clinton's trick. Everyone would smoke up but he wouldn't inhale. Then he'd win the debate, get the treaties signed etal.
 

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Right... Iran is completely willing to be reasonable... Have you heard their president speak before?

I really don't care much about what the French say. They're just not important on the world stage.

Can you understand Farsi? Then you probably have only heard translations of selective quotes chosen by our news. How accurate do you think that is?

Why not judge Ahmadinejad yourself? Here is the speech in question.
Transcript of speech by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at “World Without Zionism” conference in Tehran

Reported by Iranian government-owned news agency ISNA on 26 October 2005 at 13:10 local time (for original Persian text see: http://www.isna.ir/Main/NewsView.aspx?ID=News-603209)

Tehran, Iran, Oct. 28 – Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad made a keynote speech on Wednesday at the gathering of 4,000 students organised by the Association of Islamic Students Societies. The text follows:

I am grateful to God for giving me the great pleasure of speaking at this very important gathering. I thank God for seeing the pious faces of you, the valiant, aware, God-fearing and selfless children of the revolution, who understand with vigilance and intelligence the most important issues of our times and are active with great zest and in a decisive way in the most central issues of the Islamic world. I thank God for the presence of you dear young people.

The real question is what is Zionism? No doubt there have been many discussions in this conference on this issue and you have made studies in this regard, and you may know what I want to emphasize, but it is something worth mentioning.

We must see what the real story of Palestine is. Is the conflict in Palestine a war between some Jews on the one side and Muslims and non-Jews on the other side? Is it a war between the Jews and other faiths? Is it the war of one country with other countries? Is it the war of one country with the Arab world? Is the conflict only over the limited lands of Palestine? I think the answer to all these questions is negative.

The creation of the regime occupying Al-Qods (Jerusalem) was a heavy move by the globally dominant system and Global Arrogance against the Islamic world. There is a historic battle going on between the Oppressor World and the Islamic world and the roots of this conflict goes back hundreds of years.

In this historic conflict, the fronts have shifted many times. There were times when the Muslims had the upper hand and were active and forward-moving, while the Oppressor World was on retreat.

Unfortunately, in the past three hundred years, the Islamic world has been on retreat in the face of the Oppressor World.

I do not intend to go to the roots of the issue and I concentrate on a historical review of the events. In the past one hundred years, the last trenches of the Islamic world fell and the Oppressor World created the regime occupying Al-Qods as the bridgehead for its domination of the Islamic world. Bridgehead is a military term in warfare. When two divisions or armies are fighting each other, if one side advances and breaks through the front and captures a piece of enemy territory and builds up fortifications and strengthens its hold to make it a base for further territorial expansion, then we call this a bridgehead.

The occupying state (Israel) is the bridgehead of the Oppressor World in the heart of the Islamic world. They have built a base to expand their domination to the entire Islamic world. There is no other raison d’etre for this entity without this objective.

The battle that is going on in Palestine today, therefore, is the frontline of the conflict between the Islamic world and the Oppressor World. It is a battle of destiny that will determine the fate of hundreds of years of conflict in Palestine.

Today, the Palestinian nation is fighting the Oppressor World on behalf of the Islamic umma (nation). Thank God, from the day the Palestinian nation moved towards an Islamic struggle with Islamic objectives and an Islamic environment, and made Islam the dominating force in its behaviour and orientation, we have been witnessing the progress and successes of the Palestinian nation every day.

I must say that you have chosen a very valuable title for your gathering [World Without Zionism]. Many are sowing the seeds of defeat and despair in this all-out war between the Islamic world and the Infidel Front, hoping to dishearten the Islamic world.

Such people are using words like “it’s not possible”. They say how could we have a world without America and Zionism? But you know well that this slogan and goal can be achieved and can definitely be realised”.

If we take a look back, we had in our country a regime that was very violent, anti-popular, dependent on foreigners, and armed to its teeth. Members of SAVAK [the Shah’s secret police] controlled every move and a terrible reign of terror existed.

But when the dear Imam [Ruhollah Khomeini] said this regime must be destroyed, and we want a world without a client state, many of those who claim to be political gurus and other things said it’s not possible. The day when the Imam started his move, all the powers of the world supported that corrupt regime. Even after the massacre of Black Friday, the West and the East and regional powers all supported the regime. But our nation fought and now for 27 years we have a government that is independent of America. The Imam said the domination of the East and the West must be destroyed, but weak-minded persons, who only see the little world around them, didn’t believe him…

Our dear Imam ordered that the occupying regime in Al-Qods be wiped off the face of the earth. This was a very wise statement. The issue of Palestine is not one on which we could make a piecemeal compromise… This would mean our defeat. Anyone who would recognize this state [Israel] has put his signature under the defeat of the Islamic world.

In his struggle against the World Arrogance, our dear Imam targeted the central and command base of the enemy, namely the occupying regime in Al-Qods. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in dear Palestine and which we witness today all over the Islamic world will soon wipe this scourge of shame from the Islamic world. This can be done.

We have to watch out for conspiracies. For more than 50 years, the World Arrogance has tried to give recognition to the existence of this fake regime [Israel] and they have make many efforts to first stabilize it and then take further steps.

Some 27 or 28 years ago, they took an important step in this regard and, unfortunately, one of the frontline countries made this mistake, and we hope that country [Egypt] will rectify its mistake.

Recently, a new conspiracy has been plotted and is underway. They have been forced to evacuate a corner of Palestine and this was imposed on them by the Palestinian nation. But they want to sell this as the final victory and use the evacuation of Gaza and the creation of a Palestinian state as an excuse to end the Palestinian cause and goal.

Today they are making an evil and deceptive effort to turn the struggle into an internal conflict of the Islamic world. They want to create conflict among Palestinian groups inside Palestine by making them greedy for political positions or high office, so that these groups abandon the decisive issue fo Palestine and turn on each other.

With the excuse of having cleared the Gaza Strip to show their good will, they want a group of Muslim nations to recognise this corrupt regime, and I am very hopeful and pray to God that the Palestinian nation and the dear Palestinian groups will be cautious of such sedition.

Today the unity of the front in Palestine on its goals is a pressing necessity. The issue of Palestine is by no means finished. The issue of Palestine will only be resolved when all of Palestine comes under Palestinian rule, when all the refugees return to their homes, and when a popular government chosen by this nation takes the affairs in its hands. Of course, those who have come to this land from far away to plunder this land have no right to participate in the decision-making process for this nation.

I am hopeful that just as the Palestinian nation continued its struggle for the past ten years, it will continue to maintain its awareness and vigilance. This phase is going to be short-lived. If we put it behind us successfully, God willing, it will pave the way for the annihilation of the Zionist regime and it will be a downhill route.

I warn all the leaders in the Islamic world to beware of this conspiracy. If any of them takes a step towards the recognition of this regime [Israel], then he will burn in the fire of the Islamic umma (nation) and will have eternal shame stamped on his forehead, regardless of whether he did this under pressure by the dominant powers, or lack of understanding or naiveté or selfishness or worldly incentives.

The issue of Palestine is the issue of the Islamic world. Those who are closeted behind closed doors cannot make decisions on this issue and the Islamic nation does not allow this historical enemy to exist at the heart of the Islamic world.

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4164
 

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Our dear Imam ordered that the occupying regime in Al-Qods be wiped off the face of the earth. This was a very wise statement.

Mmmkay, which part of that statement didn't you get?

EDIT: In case you are wondering, Al-Qods is Jerusalem.
 

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Look Bush is a moron, an idiot and a liar. He won't nuke Iran. This isn't WWII 60 years ago, and thousands of Americans are not dying in the Pacific. I understand that Iran is playing politics, as Bush is, but if Israel gets a whif of Iran getting close to becoming dangerous, nothing will stop them.

Considering the text of the speech above, Israel had better let nothing stop them.
 

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I think not said:
earth_as_one said:
Our dear Imam ordered that the occupying regime in Al-Qods be wiped off the face of the earth. This was a very wise statement.

Mmmkay, which part of that statement didn't you get?

EDIT: In case you are wondering, Al-Qods is Jerusalem.

I, for one, can not believe that anyone could be disingenuous enough to argue against taking all steps necessary to prevent Iran obtaining nucleur weapons.

(BTW, "disingenuous" is a polite, politically correct, and Parliament-approved way of saying "really, really stupid")

(With apologies to Mark Steyn)
 

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earth_as_one said:
Can you understand Farsi? Then you probably have only heard translations of selective quotes chosen by our news. How accurate do you think that is?

Why not judge Ahmadinejad yourself? Here is the speech in question.
Transcript of speech by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at “World Without Zionism” conference in Tehran

Reported by Iranian government-owned news agency ISNA on 26 October 2005 at 13:10 local time (for original Persian text see: http://www.isna.ir/Main/NewsView.aspx?ID=News-603209)
Such people are using words like “it’s not possible”. They say how could we have a world without America and Zionism? But you know well that this slogan and goal can be achieved and can definitely be realised”.

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Our dear Imam ordered that the occupying regime in Al-Qods be wiped off the face of the earth. This was a very wise statement. The issue of Palestine is not one on which we could make a piecemeal compromise… This would mean our defeat. Anyone who would recognize this state [Israel] has put his signature under the defeat of the Islamic world.
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In his struggle against the World Arrogance, our dear Imam targeted the central and command base of the enemy, namely the occupying regime in Al-Qods. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in dear Palestine and which we witness today all over the Islamic world will soon wipe this scourge of shame from the Islamic world. This can be done.

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We have to watch out for conspiracies. For more than 50 years, the World Arrogance has tried to give recognition to the existence of this fake regime [Israel] and they have make many efforts to first stabilize it and then take further steps.


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If we put it behind us successfully, God willing, it will pave the way for the annihilation of the Zionist regime and it will be a downhill route.

I warn all the leaders in the Islamic world to beware of this conspiracy. If any of them takes a step towards the recognition of this regime [Israel], then he will burn in the fire of the Islamic umma (nation) and will have eternal shame stamped on his forehead, regardless of whether he did this under pressure by the dominant powers, or lack of understanding or naiveté or selfishness or worldly incentives.
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4164

What part of this is reasonable to you? He is talking about wiping Israel off the map isn't he? I definitely understand English. This is the man Chirac wants to be buddies with? The French don't like Bush, so they'll cozy up to a lunatic in Iran. Thank God they don't really have much power on the world stage.
 

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Colpy said:
I think not said:
earth_as_one said:
Our dear Imam ordered that the occupying regime in Al-Qods be wiped off the face of the earth. This was a very wise statement.

Mmmkay, which part of that statement didn't you get?

EDIT: In case you are wondering, Al-Qods is Jerusalem.

I, for one, can not believe that anyone could be disingenuous enough to argue against taking all steps necessary to prevent Iran obtaining nucleur weapons.

(BTW, "disingenuous" is a polite, politically correct, and Parliament-approved way of saying "really, really stupid")

(With apologies to Mark Steyn)

I don't think the present steps are very effective. Claiming them part of the axis of evil, invading another Arab axis of evil country in "error", cheerleading the shelling of Lebanon, calling them islamic fascists, and refusing to speak with them is a good way to encourage Iran to arm themselves in defense. I think it's disingenious to believe Bush isn't a major cause of the excalating defiance and problems in the ME. Instead of brokering peace he is brokering the exponential growth of radicalism. I can't believe we are so bent on following this pide piper we cannot look outside the box for a fresh approach. The present approach is a disaster, to put it mildly.
 

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nothing makes any sense if you discuss it long enough :) I promise that's the last time i say that now!

I think peace by diplomacy, acceptance and kindness might be worth a try

after all is not possible that Iran actually DOES only want nuclear technology in order to produce power?
 

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Nothing here surprises me. France is predictable; they will kiss the asses of Muslim extremists so they don't blow up Paris.. mind you, Paris seems like more than 50% Islamic -- Blacks and Arabs are the majority there (atleast seemingly... the suburbs are definately much higher than 50% foreign).

France has no choice but to do as mulsims please.. Most urban and suburban areas and anything France values are rules by the enemies of the west now. They never even solved the issues surrounding the racial riots last summer, only temporarly solutions giving more and more handouts to people who shouldn't even be in Europe or France to begin with.

No, France in it's natural form was never friends with anybody and France with an African/Arab Muslim influence is even less a friend of Western countries.

(Ps. Thanks Angela Merkel for getting the German government out of bed with the French :lol:)
 

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I concur heartly with your post Andem, France's face is covered in brown goo from "Ass Kissing" our enemies. It's gonna bite this nation of Appeasers thou, they have a very dangerous snake and it's getting bigger by the day. Hiss, hiss France.
 

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I think not said:
earth_as_one said:
Our dear Imam ordered that the occupying regime in Al-Qods be wiped off the face of the earth. This was a very wise statement.

Mmmkay, which part of that statement didn't you get?

EDIT: In case you are wondering, Al-Qods is Jerusalem.

I never made that statement. Ahmadinejad did. Would you and anyone else who attributed this statement to me, please edit your posts.

Thank you in advance

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I think some of you misinterpret Ahmadinejad. He's not calling for a Jewish genocide but an end to a regime or system of governance where rights are based on being Jewish in Palestine. He doesn't say what would be a better system of governance. Ahmadinejad isn't exactly leading the world's most fair regime either. Iran, like Israel also has race/religion based systems of rights, although their discrimination isn't nearly as pervasive or as violent as Israel's.

Its possible Ahmadinjad called for an end of the Israeli regime in much the same way other world leaders called for an end to the South African regime during the height of Apartheid. Calling for an end of that regime wasn't interpreted as a call to exterminate white South Africans, but to emancipate the black majority. From the Muslim world's viewpoint, the suffering of non-Jewish Palestinian majority today is similar to the suffering of non-white South Africans during Apartheid. Calling for an end to the Israeli regime (in the context of one state consisting of all Israelis and Palestinians where all citizens have equal rights) doesn't mean killing Jews. It means right of return for millions of Palestinians and their emancipation. It would mean the end of Israel as we know it, but it doesn't mean genocide or an end to Jews living in Palestine.

By the way, I'm not saying I agree with that viewpoint. I'm just trying to offer another possible interpretation.

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I suspect that France, China and Russia have concluded that joining forces with the Americans and Israel to impose economic sanctions against Iran is not in their best interests.

These nations are not threatened by Iran. They maintain mutually beneficial trade relationships. Iran doesn't insult them or behave arrogantly toward them. Iran isn't known for breaking their word and starting illegal wars.

Meanwhile the US has broken its word many times. For example:
Iraq - Joint statement by the People’s Republic of China, France and the Russian Federation

New York,November 8, 2002
Resolution 1441 (2002) adopted today by the Security Council excludes any automaticity in the use of force. In this regard, we register with satisfaction the declarations of the representatives of the United States and the United Kingdom confirming this understanding in their explanations of vote, and assuring that the goal of the resolution is the full implementation of the existing Security Council resolutions on disarmament of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction. All Security Council members share this goal.

In case of failure by Iraq to comply with its obligations, the provisions of paragraphs 4, 11 and 12 will apply. Such failure will be reported to the Security Council by the Executive Chairman of UNMOVIC or by the Director General of IAEA. It will be then for the Council to take a position on the basis of that report.

Therefore, the resolution fully respects the competences of the Security Council in the maintenance of international peace and security, in conformity with the Charter of the United Nations./.

Embassy of France in the United States - November 13, 2002

The US often behaves like arrogant, insulting bully to other nations. The French haven't forgotten America's threats to boycott French products because the Cheese-Eating-Surrender-Monkeys wouldn't back America's illegal war crimes in Iraq

And let's be clear, the Iraq war is a crime:

In the interview, Mr. Annan was repeatedly asked whether the (Iraq) war was "illegal." "Yes," he finally said, "I have indicated it is not in conformity with the UN Charter, from our point of view, and from the Charter point of view it was illegal."

http://www.un.org/apps/news/storyAr.asp?NewsID=11953&Cr=iraq&Cr1=

So why should France, Russia and China join forces with the US and sacrifice their lucurative trade relations with Iran again? Can someone explain how its in their best interest to end trade with Iran?
 

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earth_as_one said:
I think not said:
earth_as_one said:
Our dear Imam ordered that the occupying regime in Al-Qods be wiped off the face of the earth. This was a very wise statement.

Mmmkay, which part of that statement didn't you get?

EDIT: In case you are wondering, Al-Qods is Jerusalem.

I never made that statement. Ahmadinejad did. Would you and anyone else who attributed this statement to me, please edit your posts.

Thank you in advance

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You're welcome, but I never said you did. Despite pointing out what Iran's leader said, you offering excuses and misinterpretations. What he said is clear. You offered the entire text as if he said something different and the Western mdeia changed it.

Guess not.
 

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How come nobody is writing about his statements yesterday, about spreading love and respect throughout the world?