Forced troop worship and compulsory patriotism must end

bluebyrd35

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As a boy my father once told me its better to be quiet and have people think you are
stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
I wonder what this guy would say if he landed on the beach on D Day or fought in
Ortona Italy during that battle in 1943?
People like this who make comment sitting in their peaceful little world are the reason
we as a society end up doing it again. Today we are hearing oh its just a fight over
there. Well over there effects here and if we let it get out of hand it gets worse
My father did say though "the real hero's are the guys who didn't make it the rest of us
just did our jobs"
Actually very few of those who landed at Normandy or Juno ever talked about it, too traumatic. My uncles never did and a cousin did not live to do so.
 

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That is too bad. They need to be heard.

Most vets did not talk about it. Even today the problem exists.
Your Vets Affairs noted that Vietnam Vets were dying in large numbers in their mid to late 50's. Heart attacks, massive, stress related to the War. Directly related to PTSD.
 

bluebyrd35

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That is too bad. They need to be heard.
No they do not need to. Why should they be forced to relive such events?? One uncle died from a fall down an elevator shaft while delivering parcels in a high rise and the other is close to 90 and is very well for his age. For them it is like opening a healed scar and scraping around in it. They did not beat their wives or children either.

Most vets did not talk about it. Even today the problem exists.
Your Vets Affairs noted that Vietnam Vets were dying in large numbers in their mid to late 50's. Heart attacks, massive, stress related to the War. Directly related to PTSD.
So true. Worse some of those Vietnam vets were dumped on with Agent Orange by their own military. I guess I am done. I get so upset and angry to know how badly governments treat those they send into war. I guess it will never change, the old farts, get mad and sent the young to fight the battles they should have fought with diplomacy.
 

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No they do not need to. Why should they be forced to relive such events?? One uncle died from a fall down an elevator shaft while delivering parcels in a high rise and the other is close to 90 and is very well for his age. For them it is like opening a healed scar and scraping around in it. They did not beat their wives or children either.


I am not saying they should be forced Blue. Geez have a sense of proportion.


People should hear their stories.
 

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I agree. They should keep it locked inside, never ever say anything about it, and treat their stress with alcohol and spouse/child abuse.

It's the American way.

Wrong. They come back, changed and in Canada with the New Veterans Charter they are discarded as a financial burden.
 

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Anyone else think the ceramic poppies in Britain is a bit much?

I get the gesture..but they're friggin ceramic poppies.
 

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Y'know, I think the little discussion we had on the PTSD of WWII, and what effect it mighta had on society, was probably the smartest thing I ever saw on this board.

Not that there's a lot of competition, mind.
 

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They gave their lives alright but not for freedom or for their country
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They most certainly did.

Anyone else think the ceramic poppies in Britain is a bit much?

No. It's a wonderful attraction and a brilliant piece of art (much better than all that tripe by the likes of Damian Hirst and Tracey Emin that the Left-wing luvvies like) which has already attracted four million visitors. The 888,246 poppies, each one representing a British military death of WWI, is supposed to be blood flowing from Tower into the moat, and it's a great way of showing the huge scale of Britain's loss in WWI.

Thousands of the Tower of London ceramic poppies are to tour the UK to enable more people to see parts of the popular artwork.

The installation of the 888,246 poppies will start to be dismantled by a team of about 8,000 volunteers today.

The weeping window and wave segments will be removed last and will be on show until the end of the month.

The tour will last until 2018 before being permanently based at the Imperial War Museums in London and Manchester.

No schedule has been set yet for the tour, to be organised by 14-18 NOW.


Tributes were placed on a fence near the installation on Sunday
 
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Sal

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Most vets did not talk about it. Even today the problem exists.
Your Vets Affairs noted that Vietnam Vets were dying in large numbers in their mid to late 50's. Heart attacks, massive, stress related to the War. Directly related to PTSD.
agreed, most from WWll NEVER spoke of it either, they drank it off at the legion or drank it off by the quart at home


some things are too horrific to be spoken of


and not many were proud of the enemies they'd killed, or that they had killed at all... they were just your average guy sent off to war too, met under other circumstances you would have had a beer together