For God to condemn you just to die for you is ridiculous and immoral.

French Patriot

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Bull.

God gave YOU life to begin with, .

Is that just dogma or do you have something concrete we can look at for verification that this is a true statement?
Hearsay and book say does not count as something concrete.

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DL

Not true. This life is your window of opportunity to be reborn. After death is too late my friend. When you are born-again (spiritually reborn) God makes you a whole new person. (And why anyone would reject this and eternal life is beyond me)

If anyone is in Christ, the old has passed away, BEHOLD! THE NEW HAS COME! (2 Corinthians 5:17)



Thank you! I'm all down for discussing the topic of God, but it's the same old BS with this guy. Waaa! God is mean and unfair! :roll:

Speaking of being born again.

'Hell' as an invention of the church - YouTube

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petros

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Is that just dogma or do you have something concrete we can look at for verification that this is a true statement?
Hearsay and book say does not count as something concrete.

Regards
DL

To make concrete you need lime, calcium, silica, aluminum, iron, gypsum, gravel and water. If you aren't looking for lime, calcium, silica, aluminum, iron, gypsum, gravel and water, you'll NEVER find concrete.

Mahalo,
PK
 

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God damn, you know good ole God must have one hell of a sense of humour.
The book he wrote of symbols has been taken literally in all things which was
never intended at all. Perhaps God was the original JK Rowling who wrote the
greatest novel of all time. Burning bushes, sex, death, war, politics, and mystery
he got it all and travelled about telling the story over and over.
God if he is angry its time to bring on the lightning and if so this forum is in all
kinds of trouble. Not to many lightning storms approaching winter though.

By literal reading, believers have consigned God to their book and thus are idol worshipers.

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DL
 

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To make concrete you need lime, calcium, silica, aluminum, iron, gypsum, gravel and water. If you aren't looking for lime, calcium, silica, aluminum, iron, gypsum, gravel and water, you'll NEVER find concrete.

Mahalo,
PK

You forgot man's role and without it, there is just unmixed chemicals. Man is key.

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petros

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You forgot man's role and without it, there is just unmixed chemicals. Man is key.

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DL

Exactly and that man is you who has to find all the ingredients and mix them to make your own concrete.

I or anyone else can't make that concrete for you.

If you don't know the right recipe, check the Book. It's all in there.

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PK
 

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Each life is a unique journey toward the truth. There is no one way to get there. "The road is narrow". It is not for us to judge another man's path. We must each find our own way back to our creator. No one can tell us how to make that journey. No religion has a handle on the truth or a direct line to the godhead.
 

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Exactly and that man is you who has to find all the ingredients and mix them to make your own concrete.

I or anyone else can't make that concrete for you.

If you don't know the right recipe, check the Book. It's all in there.

Mahalo,
PK

I am not trying to make concrete. I was asking one who said he had some to show it.
Or at least the formula he used.

Regards
DL

Each life is a unique journey toward the truth. There is no one way to get there. "The road is narrow". It is not for us to judge another man's path. We must each find our own way back to our creator. No one can tell us how to make that journey. No religion has a handle on the truth or a direct line to the godhead.

+ 1

I dug this up a minute ago for another but you might like it.
I do but then it fits my Gnostic Christian label.
Both Catholics and Protestants have forgotten the message that Jesus taught.

Martin Luther's Revelation - YouTube

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I was watching Permethius last night. A line from the movie sums up this discussion - "It is true because I choose to believe it is true."
 

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I was watching Permethius last night. A line from the movie sums up this discussion - "It is true because I choose to believe it is true."

Many can do that regardless of the evidence but I cannot.

To those who can I usually give this link as a punch line in ending discourse.
I do hate to see good minds got to waste but have not found a pleasant eye opening way to say it and I guess those with more eloquence than I have not either.

Richard Dawkins: One Fact to Refute Creationism - YouTube

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petros

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I am not trying to make concrete. I was asking one who said he had some to show it.
Or at least the formula he used.

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DL
That's the point. You have to find all the ingredients, mix it and pour it yourself. There is no lazy way. It's your concrete evidence. Not mine or anyone ele's.


Mahalo.
PK
 

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Evolution made feathers and fins and lips what made the self conscience mind of man? God designed evolution so Dawkins would never get to heaven. The man gives me the heartburn and the diareeeha.
 

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Don't know where you get the idea that "God is everything". Can He be both unfair and just at the same time? Of course not, that contradictory. Your philosophy sounds "new age" to me...


Your god is the creator of all good and ALL evil ~ Isaiah 45:7


As for definition of god vs damn - that definition of yours misses everything
 

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PLATONIC PHILOSOPHY​
IN THE BIBLE​
by​
ALVIN BOYD KUHN, Ph. D.
(3) Then the ancients were "uranographers." The "uranograph" was a chart of heaven. By this is meant a map outlined by the early sages charting the spiritual constitution and physiology of man, the psychic centers, areas of spiritual force, and all "after the pattern of things in the heavens." Man, the microcosm, is a replica of the heavenly man and the universe. From the history of man written thus in the constellation of the skies, the early religious formulators transferred the record to earth and distributed the various phenomena and localities over the national maps in accordance with the heavenly chart! All nations tried to frame their own history and geography after the pattern of things in the heavenly mount. Mainly the Egyptians and after them the Jews made this transfer almost completely. According to this chart each nation was given an upper and lower section, had a river flowing from the upper down to the lower, had a lake or sea, a central city representing the Holy City, and a score of parallel features found in every case. There was first a division into seven nomes or districts, later into twelve. Each nation thus strove to have its history interpreted as a fulfilment of the sacred allegory; and its national history, thus diverted into the form of the celestial myth, was made into the national epic. And finally came the claim on the part of several, notably the Jews, that since their history fulfilled the outlines of the sacred story, they were proven to be the "chosen people" of God. There is not a scrap of evidence anywhere to identify the Israelites as the historical Hebrews or Jews. The latter simply appropriated the distinction to themselves and fitted their history into the sacred scheme. As proof
4​
of this it is offered that a monument in Egypt contained hundreds of Palestinian place names, afterward localized in the Holy Land of Judea, before the "historical" Exodus from Egypt. Hence the modern discovery of a town in Palestine bearing the name of a place mentioned in the Bible does not offer a single whit of proof that the Bible is history. It only proves that the religious formulators of the national epic had given to a certain place a name already found on the uranograph or spiritual chart, much as European explorers gave sacred names such as Salem, Providence, New Haven, Canaan, Newark, Corpus Christi and Santa Fe to new towns when they came to America. Jerusalem, Egypt, Sodom and others are therefore only spiritual names transferred to the map from the celestial chart.


New Lectures on the Ancient Wisdom--No I
 

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I will add these clips to themix for your consideration. They show who put what in Jesus' mouth and howChristianity has been manipulated. The first which is part of the second speaksto my Gnostic Christian label and the second shows my view of religions overalland the Noble Lie that I think we and our governments should rescind. The thirdclip speaks to the reason that religions were invented in the first place as itshows why social control was required for city states that had to deal with thereality of finite resources. I see these city states as led by a timocraticking who through the religion that he would have created, also realized thatthere had to be a tyrannical part to his benevolent duty and created a religion to be just that.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D134B912A5



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrMtRm3b8MU&feature=autoplay&list=PLCBF574D134B912A5&playnext=1



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne1wIEGnPWo



I see the King/God as havingto have the morals shown in the Haigt clip.



http://blog.ted.com/2008/09/17/the_real_differ/



He would have to create hisreligion as expressed through his high priest/tyrant who would live by thefirst commandment of God, place no one above me as the enforcer of hisKing/God's rules and laws while still obeying his King. The larger Roman systemwould later assume the same system through the Noble Lie. First through the Flavian and later throughConstantine.



http://www.simchajtv.com/movie-secrets-of-christianity-selling-christianity/

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DL