Fish lovers & farmed fish haters- aquaculture done right

[AnnaG]

You lads better get used to the taste of "farmed" fish,{me,I eat the char from the farm I work at part time,and they'er very good,and I've eaten a lot of fish}'cause it won't be long 'till that's all there is

Sadly, I think you are right. Especially the way the world's population keeps growing. I think the pressure is on farming to become more and more intensive.

Great vid, Tonington.

Well, sockeye harvest rates were in the region of 75 to 80% of the Frasier river return rate from 1980-1994. That's simply not a sustainable level of harvest. It didn't work for the Grand Banks, it didn't work for peruvian anchovies, it didn't work for the whale harvests, it isn't working for bluefin tuna, it's not working period.

I have no idea why to this day (rhetorical, it's politics of course) most regulatory agencies continue to use proven faulty models for forecasting population and what is truly a sustainable harvest level. There are better models out there. Proven models. But they require an investment, which comes as lower quotas now, for sustained higher quotas in the long run. Eliminate the maximum sustainable yield, and replace it with the optimum sustainable yield or maximum economic yield.

Exactly.

Here's a bit from CBC from about 5 or 6 years ago. I don't think much has changed since:

Disclosure Investigates BC Fish Farms: [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
http://cbc.ca/disclosure/archives/030204_salmon/main.html [/FONT]

Fish Farms and Sea Lice: [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
http://cbc.ca/disclosure/archives/030204_salmon/farms.html [/FONT]

A Flawed Report: [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
http://cbc.ca/disclosure/archives/030204_salmon/report.html [/FONT]

The Politics: [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
http://cbc.ca/disclosure/archives/030204_salmon/politics.html [/FONT]

More gov't crap:
Environmental groups accuse B.C. of changing rules over lice ruling - The Globe and Mail

It's clear the Libs put aquaculture ahead of wild fish

Captain James Tiberius Kirk to the rescue lol:
Capt. Kirk to save BC salmon :: The Hook

Huffington Post stuff:
Chris Ninnes: Protecting B.C. Salmon Stocks

 

[bill barilko]

As to Sockeye-there's lots around.

Yes BC Sockeye stocks are in the toilet probably to stay but BC was never a big producer of Sockeye on the world market-Alaska and now Russia are the Big Players.

In fact canned Sockeye is cheaper than it's been for 20 years and Sushi Bars overflow with the stuff.

So there's plenty to be destroyed yet don't you worry!

 

[petros]

How can raising top of the food chain fishes be a good thing? I'm top of the food chain and look at the mess it takes to feed me.

 

[AnnaG]

As to Sockeye-there's lots around.

Yeah. There's about a million according to the experts. Commission into sockeye salmon stocks releases areas of inquiry - The Globe and Mail Let's kill the rest off quick before the lice, climate change, aquaculture waste, diseases, Atlantic salmon, etc. gets them, huh.

Yes BC Sockeye stocks are in the toilet probably to stay but BC was never a big producer of Sockeye on the world market-Alaska and now Russia are the Big Players.

You have anything backing up that claim?

In fact canned Sockeye is cheaper than it's been for 20 years and Sushi Bars overflow with the stuff.

Foreign sockeye, not BC sockeye.

So there's plenty to be destroyed yet don't you worry!

Yup, about a million. Of course that is only about a 10th of what was expected but not to worry, people like you will use it all up until there's none left. At least until, people with more sense put a halt to it.

How can raising top of the food chain fishes be a good thing? I'm top of the food chain and look at the mess it takes to feed me.

lol Go on a diet, then, Pet.

 

[petros]

It's not me, it's my trainer.

 

[AnnaG]

It's not me, it's my trainer.

Ooooohhh. Put
her on a diet then. lol

 

[petros]

Ooooohhh. Put
her on a diet then. lol

How? A hair cut? She's a stick that needs to put rocks in her purse on a windy day.

 

[AnnaG]

How? A hair cut? She's a stick that needs to put rocks in her purse on a windy day.

aaaahhh She's like me, then. Cool. I'm on a diet. I eat as much as I can. It's a see food diet. If I don't, I get even more stickish. lol

 

[petros]

aaaahhh She's like me, then. Cool. I'm on a diet. I eat as much as I can. It's a see food diet. If I don't, I get even more stickish. lol

This is her picture.



(Tits on a stick)

 

[AnnaG]

lmao I'm jealous. They look bigger than mine.

 

[Bar Sinister]

Farmed fish is an oxymoron. And they taste soft and mushy. Probably like poop. You don't farm carnivores and fish are carnivores, yet it's done because it is a moneymaker, and despite disease and sea lice they produce.

Crapola.

There is more than one kind of fish farming. Pisciculture (as it used to be called) is quite common in most parts of Asia. Almost every village has a fish pond and fish are even introduced into padi fields. They produce a very valuable source of protein and no one complains about them being mushy.

 

[petros]

You go right ahead and eat all the minnow soup and rice you want and then go sit in a taxi with no AC and take revenge.

I'll eat broccoli and beans for protein thanks.

 

[Tonington]

I'll eat broccoli and beans for protein thanks.

Again, not everyone in this world has that luxurious choice.

 

[bill barilko]

Yeah. There's about a million according to the experts. Commission into sockeye salmon stocks releases areas of inquiry - The Globe and Mail Let's kill the rest off quick before the lice, climate change, aquaculture waste, diseases, Atlantic salmon, etc. gets them, huh.

I told you Fraser River BC Sockeye are finished-it's all over but the crying. :sad:

Scientists predicted the present crash long before Salmon Aquaculture became an issue-so while interference from pests associated with Atlantic Salmon feedlots may have accelerated the process Fraser River Sockeye were doomed from the get go.They are schooling earlier than ever in the Strait of Georgia and dieing when trying to ascend the Fraser-which is also warmer than ever thus stressing fish more and allowing other little known pests to thrive/attack the fish.

You have anything backing up that claim?

I know because I used to fish them both in the Strait and in the Fraser-I've also been an active volunteer with Salmon conservations concerns for over 30 years-quite unlike you.

Foreign sockeye, not BC sockeye.

I told you-BC never had a lot of Sockeye to start with-not compared to Alaskan catches which always outnumbered BC many times over.

In addition since so many Canadian companies own such a large chunk of the Alaskan fish processing industry there's no way to tell where the fish sold as Alaskan come from.That's how so much BC fish from the Skeena is sold as Copper River fish in the USA for unspeakable prices.

Yup, about a million. Of course that is only about a 10th of what was expected but not to worry, people like you will use it all up until there's none left. At least until, people with more sense put a halt to it.

Very little Fraser fish is for sale anywhere in BC-as I said it's Skeena or Russian-the Russian is imported by the container load.Superior Fish Market in ladner was the first in Canada to import Siberian Sockeye.

I'll eat broccoli and beans for protein thanks.

Point taken-if someone is really concerned they should eat vegetarian.

There is more than one kind of fish farming. Pisciculture (as it used to be called) is quite common in most parts of Asia. Almost every village has a fish pond and fish are even introduced into padi fields. They produce a very valuable source of protein and no one complains about them being mushy.

Most people in Asia don't live in villages-not even close.

What works on a small scale doesn't count for sh!t when there are millions & millions of mouths to be be fed daily.

 

[AnnaG]

I told you Fraser River BC Sockeye are finished-it's all over but the crying. :sad:

Scientists predicted the present crash long before Salmon Aquaculture became an issue-so while interference from pests associated with Atlantic Salmon feedlots may have accelerated the process Fraser River Sockeye were doomed from the get go.They are schooling earlier than ever in the Strait of Georgia and dieing when trying to ascend the Fraser-which is also warmer than ever thus stressing fish more and allowing other little known pests to thrive/attack the fish.

Um, aquaculture in BC became an issue in the 1950s.

I know because I used to fish them both in the Strait and in the Fraser-I've also been an active volunteer with Salmon conservations concerns for over 30 years-quite unlike you.

I don't really care if you LOOK like a fish and smell like one. What I read is from scientists who spend their time studying the issue, not some ex-fisher/volunteer who dabbles in it.

I told you-BC never had a lot of Sockeye to start with-not compared to Alaskan catches which always outnumbered BC many times over.

So?

In addition since so many Canadian companies own such a large chunk of the Alaskan fish processing industry there's no way to tell where the fish sold as Alaskan come from.That's how so much BC fish from the Skeena is sold as Copper River fish in the USA for unspeakable prices.

Very little Fraser fish is for sale anywhere in BC-as I said it's Skeena or Russian-the Russian is imported by the container load.Superior Fish Market in ladner was the first in Canada to import Siberian Sockeye.

Um, I think I said something about foreign fish, yeah.

What works on a small scale doesn't count for sh!t when there are millions & millions of mouths to be be fed daily.

Unless there are a lot of small scale ops.

At any rate, unless the human population quits growing unchecked, and corporate greed is curtailed, the quality and quantity of food will suffer.
But, I think a more immediate concern is fresh water, anyway.

 

[Bar Sinister]

Most people in Asia don't live in villages-not even close.

What works on a small scale doesn't count for sh!t when there are millions & millions of mouths to be be fed daily.

You are missing my point, which was to show that fish farming is quite common in many parts of the world and has been for centuries. And in countries like India and China the population is still mostly rural. China - 44% urban and India 29% Urban

Also in countries starved for protein any amount is an important contribution.

 

[bill barilko]

Seastar Sockeye Salmon product of Canada @ Army & Navy this afternoon-$1.99/213 gram can-cheapest price in 20 years easy.

Tomorrow we're headed out locally for Springs and maybe we'll snag a Coho-I won't think about any of you while I'm out there though-I hope you all have fun stewing in your ignorant juices.

 

[petros]

Seastar Sockeye Salmon product of Canada @ Army & Navy this afternoon-$1.99/213 gram can-cheapest price in 20 years easy.

Tomorrow we're headed out locally for Springs and maybe we'll snag a Coho-I won't think about any of you while I'm out there though-I hope you all have fun stewing in your ignorant juices.

I love you too Billy.

 

[AnnaG]

Seastar Sockeye Salmon product of Canada @ Army & Navy this afternoon-$1.99/213 gram can-cheapest price in 20 years easy.

So?

Tomorrow we're headed out locally for Springs and maybe we'll snag a Coho-I won't think about any of you while I'm out there though-I hope you all have fun stewing in your ignorant juices.

Don't forget to breathe while you are gone; it's good for your health.