Then you might have said so. Attack the post, not the poster. That's what I try to do.
Fed up with Islam Yet???
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Then you might have said so. Attack the post, not the poster. That's what I try to do.
I'm pretty well aware of your philosophy, Gerry, much of which I agree with. I'm just baffled as to why you have to let go with a deluge of insults and filth toward people whose philosophy doesn't coincide with yours.
Your post betrays an ignorance of Scripture. The Book of Leviticus is part of the Torah, the first five books of the Old Testament. It calls for the deaths of all those who fail to obey the Word of God. The Torah is part of the Bible for Jews, Christians and Muslims. Modern Christians and Muslims tend to ignore it, but Jesus himself said that He did not come to do away with the Old Testament but to complete it. Being able to reconcile everything in the Bible is part of what the Book of Ephesians calls "the mystery of the gospel" (Ephesians 6:19). Solve that and we will start to be as wise as God, so I'm not holding my breath. But you cannot separate Christians and Muslims by the Biblical sleight of hand you attempted. Jews, Christians and Muslims are all ordered to understand the strictness of the ancient law in Leviticus that calls us to kill sinners.
Hey, Ger, do you consider yourself to be a Christian?
But didn't Leviticus advocate killing homosexuals? And how does that fit with "do unto others as you would have them do unto you"?
Boy oh boy, are we going to get into a lengthy theocratic debate or should we start another thread? Yes, Leviticus does encourage that, and a whole lot more killing. It does seem inconsistent with the Golden Rule. I think the Bible includes knowledge and wisdom, and God wants us to figure it out ourselves. Scripture isn't supposed to be connect-the-dots instructions. To reconnect this answer to the current argument, Colpy cannot urge us to hate or condemn Muslims by such a clumsy sleight of hand as to say that the Bible encourages Christians to love but the Koran is evil (to paraphrase). The Bible and God are a whole lot more complicated than that.
Excuse me??
Christ is not in the Old Testament............if it wewre the Old Testament that was the primary text, we would be Jews. We are not....we are Christians, following the example of Christ, not Leviticus.
Christ did not murder, nor did he make war on unbelievers.......instead he sacrificed Himself. That is his example.
Mohammed was a murderer, a pedophile, a rapist, and a war monger.
I think you can see the difference.
No need to excuse you. Jesus says that he did not come to do away with the Old Testament but to fulfill all of the Bible (not a quote). You have acknowledged that you have not read the Bible. You might want to.
The only example above that was used under the name of Christ was the inquisition which was largely in response to Muslim conquest of Spain which in it self nullifies your argument.
right, I should be nice to the bigots, and racists, the supporters of murder, the war mongers.............
actually, it is your ignorance that is showing.
Doesn't a true Christian "turn the other cheek"?
Thinking back on your comment about "racists", doesn't denigrating Americans pretty well fit into the category of racism?
I like plain and simple...............like just abiding by the Golden Rule and forget about the rest of it.
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Here is the quotation from the Bible I referred to earlier. It says Jesus came to fulfill the Law. The Law is in the Old Testament. Christians, Jews and Muslims all include the Torah in their Bible. The Torah is the first five books: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. Leviticus is the disciplinarian book which lists sins believers must be prepared to kill other believers for if they disobey. Matthew 5:17 is Jesus saying, “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them...." Logically you cannot accuse Muslims of all being bloodthirsty killers because of their Bible unless you admit the same for Christians and Jews.
Matthew 5:17-20
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Nawww. My point is much simpler than that. The only point I was making is that we are all the same. There are extremists on both sides. If you think Christians are all saints and Muslims are all evil, you are carrying around one sick ideology.
Not at all. The issue is between what are called "ascribed characteristics" and "achieved characteristics". An ascribed characteristic is something you have no choice over, like skin colour. An achieved characteristic is something you have chosen, like to be a war monger. The thing I criticize about Americans (not "hate") is their behaviour and ideology. They are fascist. I don't criticize them because of their colour. I will grant you, this being a forum and debates often resulting in words being used too broadly, that at times I sound too broad in my criticism. However I am also the guy - see my post somewhere - possibly in the "merger of the century" thread - who goes out of his way to be polite and generous to Yank hunters visiting town. Last week I had about 130 decoys set up in a field, and told some Yank hunters where they were and let them use them. This morning we shared coffee and conversation with the guy who bragged of the goose slaughter. If I were to say I hate all Americans that would be prejudice. I don't. And if I criticize too broadly some times, oh well. LOL
You're here aren't you?
Actually when you consider the entire population I think Americans are just as diverse in their characteristics as Canadians are. I've met a lot of both and there isn't much to choose between them.
Now Gerry, don't be like that.
Some of my best friends are psychotic Mohammedans.
Actually, I realize that Muslims come in all shapes and sizes, good and bad and every shade in between, just like everyone else. I have worked with Muslims, read books written by Muslims, and I understand their history and the contribution they made to the west.
It is Islam I have a problem with..........and yes, you can separate the two.
So, I would appreciate it if, when you have an uncontrollable urge to spew venomous libel, that you make some mild attempt to control yourself.................perhaps initiating a conversation would be an improvement over attempting to crap all over someone with personal insult.
Your confessor must be busy.
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