Fed up with Islam Yet???

[CDNBear]

Neither has yours.

I'd ask you to back that up, but you've not only made it perfectly clear, that you aren't capable, you admitted it, and explained why.

These conversations with you, always end the same way. Until today, I thought your were just purposely obtuse, as it turns out, it's genetic.

Neither has yours and both have been in the same boat right from day one. Ukes and natives were both treated the same on the Prairie. It's hard to find a rez that isn't surrounded by Uke settlements and homesteads because the English felt the same way about both of us.

Irrelevant.

That was based on unsubstantiated, formulated rhetoric and lies.

What is available on the acts committed in the name of Islam. Is well documented.

Again, we are not talking about OP/Ed.

 

[petros]

Do you think you're the only one on these boards to have experienced discrimation based on your background? It's all dead and gone and were one big ****ing happy family now?

 

[CDNBear]

Do you think you're the only one on these boards to have experienced discrimation based on your background?

Of course not.

Which leads me right back to...

I won't claim to be even remotely well read on Ukrainian migration, or all the prejudices they faced. But from what I do know, the prejudice was born of numbers, political activism and from where they had immigrated from.

Not at all based on factual accounts.

What they faced was true xenophobia, imho.

I would seriously enjoy anything you would care to share on the matter.

What the Ukrainians dealt with was xenophobia. Baseless accusation, specious claims, fabrications and false assumptions.

Not supported by any form of evidence. Simple, simpleminded uninformed prejudicial opinion.

That is NOT the case with Islam. 1000's of documented acts of violence in the name of Islam. A religion that is documented, unable to operate peacefully, secularly, outside the socio political sphere.

Why, as a Ukrainian, you would want to draw a parallel to that, is beyond me. If i was Ukrainian, I would be pissed that you had.

By the way, you never did tell me what Ukrainian I didn't like.

 

[petros]

Not supported by any form of evidence. Simple, simpleminded uninformed prejudicial opinion.

Are you sure about that?

 

[Spade]

An Experiment on Children Which Shows The Effect of Racism on Their Subconscious - YouTube

 

[CDNBear]

Are you sure about that?

What part of this...

I won't claim to be even remotely well read on Ukrainian migration, or all the prejudices they faced. But from what I do know, the prejudice was born of numbers, political activism and from where they had immigrated from.

Not at all based on factual accounts.

What they faced was true xenophobia, imho.

I would seriously enjoy anything you would care to share on the matter.

Are you not grasping?

An Experiment on Children Which Shows The Effect of Racism on Their Subconscious - YouTube

What does being honest about the downside of Islam have to do with race?

 

[petros]

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear

I won't claim to be even remotely well read on Ukrainian migration, or all the
prejudices they faced.

Maybe it's time you started to learn because what you do know falls short.
​

 

[CDNBear]

Maybe it's time you started to learn because what you do know falls short.

:roll: So it's the bulk of the post you don't grasp.

Fair enough.

Let me know when you wiki up something pithy to say.

 

[petros]

Why would I need to Wiki what I already know? Crack on it bub. LEARN!

 

[CDNBear]

Why would I need to Wiki what I already know?

Because it's your claim.

I'm still waiting to see you back it up.

Although, given your admitted lack of growth, I'm not holding any hopes that it will be forth coming.

 

[Colpy]

Funny language, different clothes, food that is different and smells strong, a weird and exotic religion, strong inter-community networking, and they are taking our jobs and properties. What are we going to do about these.....these heathens?

Canadians on Ukrainian immigrants 1914

Well, let's see....

If Ukranians had been following a religion that made them keep their women in their own personal tents, that encouraged wife beatiing and honour-killing, that set up as an example a war-mongering genocidal pedophile, that advocated the murder of apostates and pagans, and that looked forward to the murder of all Jews in the End Days, I might have had a problem with them

Especially if some spent their time trying to destroy Canadian freedom of speech, seeking exemptions from Canadian law, promoting a medieval set of rules that is the antitheses of liberal society, and if a tiny minority planned to engage in acts of mass murder, protected by the silent acquiesence, if not support of the larger community.

Especially if Ukranians had flown jets into skyscapers of our closest ally, killing 3,000...........and we had just withdrawn from a war with them.

Kinda getting the point???

 

[petros]

Because it's your claim.

I'm still waiting to see you back it up.

Although, given your admitted lack of growth, I'm not holding any hopes that it will be forth coming.

So none of the xenophobia had anything to do with religion and the movements rooted with the orthodox religion? Are you 101% sure of that?

Well, let's see....

If Ukranians had been following a religion that made them keep their women in their own personal tents, that encouraged wife beatiing and honour-killing,

What is a "porcupine" Colpy?

 

[CDNBear]

So none of the xenophobia had anything to do with religion and the movements rooted with the orthodox religion? Are you 101% sure of that?

I'm already aware of your failure to grasp...

I won't claim to be even remotely well read on Ukrainian migration, or all the prejudices they faced. But from what I do know, the prejudice was born of numbers, political activism and from where they had immigrated from.

Not at all based on factual accounts.

What they faced was true xenophobia, imho.

I would seriously enjoy anything you would care to share on the matter.

But I'm mildly amused that you made my prediction...

Although, given your admitted lack of growth, I'm not holding any hopes that it will be forth coming.

Come true.

 

[petros]

So you aren't 101% sure and you talk to yourself to justify your ignorance ?

 

[CDNBear]

Kinda getting the point???

I doubt it, but we'll never know. He never wants to back up his claims.

 

[petros]

No attempts at learning yet?

 

[CDNBear]

So you aren't 101% sure and you talk to yourself to justify your ignorance ?

No, I'm sure you don't grasp my post and I was talking to you.

The fact that I had to explain that, doesn't come as a surprise.

No attempts at learning yet?

What's to learn? I'm already well aware of your ability to talk out your ass.

 

[petros]

I know you aren't sure and is why I suggest you take the time to learn before you make ridiculous claims about things you don't know about (yet).

I'll ask you the same question I asked Colpy. What is a porcupine?

 

[Spade]

What does being honest about the downside of Islam have to do with race?

It has everything to do with self image when a billion plus are characterized as sub human. What threads such as this one do is affect the innocent. Sorry, Bear, I stand on everthing I've said and feel about the negative aspects of this debate, the title being "Fed Up With Islam Yet?"

 

[CDNBear]

I know you aren't sure and is why I suggest you take the time to learn before you make ridiculous claims about things you don't know about (yet).

You haven't proven anything I've said to be ridiculous.

You've only claimed it.

I've asked repeatedly for you to share what you know. To no avail.

So as it stands, as I have shown, there is no correlation between the prejudice the Ukrainians faced and the honest discourse of Islamic acts of violence. Why you want to hitch your horse to that, is puzzling.

It has everything to do with self image when a billion plus are characterized as sub human. What threads such as this one do is affect the innocent. Sorry, Bear, I stand on everthing I've said and feel about the negative aspects of this debate, the title being "Fed Up With Islam yet?"

I understand your position, I can respect that.

But for me, even if this thread was entitled "Fed up with Natives", and filled with factual accounts of the sloth, corruption, nepotism, criminality and waste in the Native community. I would still be here, and I would most definitely be defending the author of the OP, and combating myth, or supporting fact.

Especially since like myself, he has every ability to deferential between Muslim, the individual, and Islam, the organized religion.