Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies

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Giustizia withdrew her demand earlier this week, citing the 'sensational' coverage her initial request received.

Really? It didn't have anything to do with the lack of scientific support?
 

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Giustizia withdrew her demand earlier this week, citing the 'sensational' coverage her initial request received.

Really? It didn't have anything to do with the lack of scientific support?

No. Maybe if they'd placed an article about it in Soccer Mom Weekly she might have seen though. lol
 

karrie

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Ya, if you're going to criticize the woman for not knowing about acorns, you have to criticize everybody involved. I'm more interested in the details that led up the the events depicted in the story.

I would absolutely criticize a parent for not being educated about their child's allergy and what does, or does not, constitute a risk to said child. Especially if they are asking for drastic moves like cutting down trees, without having researched it. Especially if they are instilling unnecessary fears in school children.
 

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I would absolutely criticize a parent for not being educated about their child's allergy and what does, or does not, constitute a risk to said child. Especially if they are asking for drastic moves like cutting down trees, without having researched it. Especially if they are instilling unnecessary fears in school children.
Or feeding 'bullies' ideas.
 

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I would absolutely criticize a parent for not being educated about their child's allergy and what does, or does not, constitute a risk to said child. Especially if they are asking for drastic moves like cutting down trees, without having researched it. Especially if they are instilling unnecessary fears in school children.

I would criticize everybody for not making that the first question but getting back to my original comment, I still wonder whether there are bullying issues that are being unaddressed.
 

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In a letter submitted to city council on Tuesday, Donna Giustizia said she made a deputation before council with the full support of the St. Stephen School administration, but was formally withdrawing her request after her plea was blown out of proportion and she was made to appear as an overzealous parent acting alone rather than as chair of her school’s allergy awareness committee doing what was asked of her
Then, again with the support of the school, she said, she made the deputation before Vaughan council on Nov. 6th
“As I pointed out in my deputation, there are students in our school who have specific recommendations and/or letters stating that these students are not to come into contact with tree nuts of any kind,” she wrote. “I would think that the recommendation of a child’s attending physician…would have satisfied the City to act on the side of caution.”
Allergists widely agree that a person with a nut allergy may have a reaction if they ate the meat of the bitter acorn, but rarely does anyone attempt to do so.
It's nice to finally get some facts. It appears the woman is not quite the nutter (excuse the pun) that some here think. Perhaps they should do like me and wait for a more complete story before they start ridiculing.
 
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karrie

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I would criticize everybody for not making that the first question but getting back to my original comment, I still wonder whether there are bullying issues that are being unaddressed.

you're seizing at straws. Her agenda is anaphylaxis, she was discussing anaphylaxis. If there is bullying going on, petitioning to cut down trees isn't the route to take, petitioning to cut out ineffective administrators is.
 

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you're seizing at straws. Her agenda is anaphylaxis, she was discussing anaphylaxis. If there is bullying going on, petitioning to cut down trees isn't the route to take, petitioning to cut out ineffective administrators is.

Petitioning to cut out ineffective administrators is the first option. Cutting down trees is the easiest option
 

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she was made to appear as an overzealous parent acting alone rather than as chair of her school’s allergy awareness committee doing what was asked of her


Allergists widely agree that a person with a nut allergy may have a reaction if they ate the meat of the bitter acorn, but rarely does anyone attempt to do so.

This is my main beef with the actions of this allergy awareness chairperson.

Her kids' doctors have told her to avoid contact with tree nuts. The assumption any physician would make is that a parent/child with an allergy would know they are allergic to the meat, not the presence of an acorn. That is NOT the same thing, as telling them they can die if they step on a freaking acorn. Allergy awareness is not only about educating the public of the dangers of allergies, it's also about educating your children about being smart and realistic about the world so they don't end up carted off to the hospital constantly from freaking panic attacks.

Petitioning to cut out ineffective administrators is the first option. Cutting down trees is the easiest option

Lazy, ill informed, and pointless.... yes, easy describes it well.
 

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This is my main beef with the actions of this allergy awareness chairperson.

Her kids' doctors have told her to avoid contact with tree nuts. The assumption any physician would make is that a parent/child with an allergy would know they are allergic to the meat, not the presence of an acorn. That is NOT the same thing, as telling them they can die if they step on a freaking acorn. Allergy awareness is not only about educating the public of the dangers of allergies, it's also about educating your children about being smart and realistic about the world so they don't end up carted off to the hospital constantly from freaking panic attacks.

I agree 100% accept, that isn't the job of the allergy awareness chairperson. That is the job of the parents. This woman had two responsibilities, one as a parent and one as an "allergy awareness chairperson". People jumped on her without really understanding the situation.

Lazy, ill informed, and pointless.... yes, easy describes it well.

LOL...you've obviously never worked in government
 

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I agree 100% accept, that isn't the job of the allergy awareness chairperson. That is the job of the parents. This woman had two responsibilities, one as a parent and one as an "allergy awareness chairperson". People jumped on her without really understanding the situation.

If the point of an allergy awareness chairperson isn't to assess whether there is really any allergy threat, then what is the point?

They can't make it up as they go along.

They can't high jack schools and communities with this emotional of a topic, and expect people won't get frustrated and angry after years of trying to tailor a meal for a healthy child, around the dietary restrictions the school has put in place. And those restrictions get put in place regardless of whether they really make the children safer or not. Seriously, if your kid in kindergarten is allergic to eggs, my grade five student eating an egg salad sandwich should NOT put them in any harm. They do not share class rooms, they don't even share play grounds for crying out loud. But no. And frankly, if there is no child in my child's class who is allergic to peanut butter, what's the difference if they ate it for lunch, or they ate it at breakfast? None. The whole issue has become so embattled that rationality and practicality got tossed out the window somewhere.

LOL...you've obviously never worked in government

Actually, interesting point.... I currently do honorarium work for a health services committee. A huge part of what I've ended up doing on said committee, is keep the committee on scope. "Seriously, isn't that overreaching what we set out to do?" It's amazing to me what one little project committee can decide it should be entitled to control. Ask a committee to review a few forms, and the next thing you know, they're trying to pick new furniture for the foyer.
 

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Nope, if you're going to hang that label on anybody, do it on the school officials.
Nope...

Ms. Giustizia maintains that the school asked her to go to the city about the trees, but the school says it was Ms. Giustizia’s prerogative, said May Moore, spokesperson for York Catholic District School Board.

She was forwarding her own uneducated agenda.

BTW; What happened to bullying?
 

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If the point of an allergy awareness chairperson isn't to assess whether there is really any allergy threat, then what is the point? They can't make it up as they go along.

She wasn't making it up as she went along whether you think so or not.

Global Toronto | Vaughan mother ends bid to banish acorns from schoolyard
“As I pointed out in my deputation, there are students in our school who have specific recommendations and/or letters stating that these students are not to come into contact with tree nuts of any kind,” she wrote. “I would think that the recommendation of a child’s attending physician…would have satisfied the City to act on the side of caution.”


They can't high jack schools and communities with this emotional of a topic, and expect people won't get frustrated and angry after years of trying to tailor a meal for a healthy child, around the dietary restrictions the school has put in place.

Yes, I can see this is an emotional topic for some people. That's why the first thing uttered is that the woman is a nut job.

And those restrictions get put in place regardless of whether they really make the children safer or not.

umm....no, they didn't get put in place because the woman reversed her direction after being attacked by "emotional" people. If people here (including you) said, I disagree with this woman because...., this wouldn't be so laughable.

Seriously, if your kid in kindergarten is allergic to eggs, my grade five student eating an egg salad sandwich should NOT put them in any harm. They do not share class rooms, they don't even share play grounds for crying out loud. But no. And frankly, if there is no child in my child's class who is allergic to peanut butter, what's the difference if they ate it for lunch, or they ate it at breakfast? None. The whole issue has become so embattled that rationality and practicality got tossed out the window somewhere.

That is evident in this thread. It's quite clear that it isn't necessarily the woman in the article that has an agenda.
 

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She wasn't making it up as she went along whether you think so or not.
What does she mean by attending physician? GP?

Allergy specialists do not support her position.

Yes, I can see this is an emotional topic for some people.
I thought the same thing, especially since you jumped on the possibility of maybe there could be some bullying involved.

While others relied on the facts and evidence forwarded by specialists in the field of nut allergies.

umm....no, they didn't get put in place because the woman reversed her direction after being attacked by "emotional" people.
So she says.

I haven't seen any facts or evidence to back that up.

I guess we'll have to take yours and her word for it.

Although I prefer facts.

If people here (including you) said, I disagree with this woman because....
That's exactly what Karrie and I did.

That is evident in this thread. It's quite clear that it isn't necessarily the woman in the article that has an agenda.
Oh so true. Karrie and the rest of us that saw this for what it was have a long documented history of anti-nut allergy activism.

For someone who claims to like facts over conjecture, you sure love your conjecture, lol.
 

karrie

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She wasn't making it up as she went along whether you think so or not.

That is the truly frustrating part..... A doctor gives a mom a blanket statement like keep them away from all tree nuts, and rather than research, they take such a blanket statement on blind faith. the doctors mean keep them from touching or eating the meat of all tree nuts, they don't mean that the kids will react to an unshelled acorn. And they probably assume that parents will teach their kids not to eat random tree droppings they find lying around. Allergists are starting to try to address the issue of panic in allergy sufferers, and doctors and parents are making them even more panicky.

As for the rest, people often mock articles that seem ridiculous. This is one of them. I'm sure in her position, with her experience, she can deal just fine with the fact that people will disagree with her and crack wise about the validity of hypothetical dangers. If she can't, she's in the wrong position.