Fallen acorns a threat to kids with allergies

Cannuck

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Would it matter if there were?

Possibly

Why remove the acorns rather than deal with the bullying.

Yes, why indeed. The reason I asked the question is that a good friend of mine yanked her kids out of one school and placed them in another because her son was terribly afraid to go to school. This happened two weeks ago. Not only did the school make no effort to deal with the situation, the boy's teacher was not even aware that the parents made multiple visits to the principal. Schools and school boards love to talk the talk. The reality is that engineering controls are far more effective than administrative controls.

I would like to know the whole story before I start throwing labels at the woman. I'm kinda funny that way.
 

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kids are kept too clean, which leads to under developed immune systems that don't know how to react appropriately to stressors. There is also more asthma, more arthritis, and more overall allergies and sensitivities in the upcoming generation.
I've heard that explanation.

Another is that our environment is more polluted and allergies may be a symptom of complex interactions between man made pollutants.

But without a doubt allergies are a bigger problem than they were a generation ago.
 

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A little fact for the perpetually contrary and obviously oblivious...

Thank you for your recent inquiry.

Both acorns and chestnuts are a member of the plant family called Fagaceae. This family is different from those of tree nuts (almond, walnut, hickory, pecan, cashew). The substances that produce allergy in acorns and chestnuts are therefore different than those that produce allergy to the other tree nuts. To my knowledge, there is no risk of a patient with nut allergy having a reaction to contact with acorns or with leaves of any sort. I could not find any evidence for such risk on an Internet search.

The only allergy reaction to acorns that I am aware of occurs in areas of the world where they are eaten, and occurs to the ingestion of the acorn. In this instance the allergy is separate from nut allergy.

Should you wish to read about this in a little more detail, there is an excellent and concise summary written by Lynn Christie, M.S.R.D. for the Food Allergy and Anaphylaxis Network. It is available free of charge online. You can "Google" a search using Ms. Christie's name, or the website is: http://www.schoolhealthservicesny.com/uploads/Acorns%20Pinecones.pdf.

Thank you again for your inquiry and we hope this response is helpful to you.

Thank
Sincerely,
Phil Lieberman, M.D.

And if you're interested in what Lynn Christie MD has to say on it...

"There is no information in the literature that suggests that individuals with a nut allergy should avoid skin contact with acorns. Acorns are the fruit or nut of the oak tree. Like tree nuts that cause allergic reactions in some individuals, acorns have a hard shell or outer coating and the "meat" of the nut is inside.

Fortunately, we do not use acorns as a part of our diets like the Native Americans did over 400 years ago. The meat of the acorn is very bitter and requires intense labor to make it palatable.


When someone is diagnosed with a tree nut allergy, they may be allergic to one or more types of tree nuts. They are usually counseled to avoid all tree nuts: almond, Brazil nut, cashew, chestnut, filbert/hazelnuts, hickory nuts, macadamia nuts, pecan, pine nuts, pistachios, and walnuts. This is because of the difficulty in determining if one type of nut is substituted for another in a recipe, cross-contact during processing or shipping, and unlikely potential of cross-reactivity. These situations put one at risk of an accidental ingestion.


If one has skin contact with the "meat" of the specific tree nut to which they are allergic, they may experience hives or contact dermatitis.


This is very individualized. There were no scientific papers or case reports of allergic reactions associated with skin exposure to acorns or pinecones. After consulting with my peers, we comfortably recommend that if one has a nut allergy, they should be able to have contact with acorns or pinecones without risk of an allergic reaction."


Lynn Christie, M.S., is a registered dietitian and clinical coordinator for the Pediatric Allergy and Immunology Division at Arkansas Children's Hospital, University of Arkansas Medical Science, Little Rock, AR. She is also a member of FAAN's Program Committee."



There you go, the facts. I like to know the facts before I'm willing to not jump on the 'bandwagon'. I'm kind of funny that way.

Mrs. Giustizia is a nut. How she managed to get to chair her childs school allergy committee, is probably a better question to be asking.

I have a serious issue with people lobbying about things they obviously have limited to no education in. Especially when they use emotion to do so. Playing the 'bullying' card was a nice emotional touch, although not surprising, since her position has no standing in reality.
 
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Dexter Sinister

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"A York Region mother is fighting to have oak trees removed near her child’s school, fearing that acorns could pose a deadly threat to students with severe allergies."
Sorry lady, but if exposure to acorns can kill your kid, your kid isn't going to make it.
 

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"A York Region mother is fighting to have oak trees removed near her child’s school, fearing that acorns could pose a deadly threat to students with severe allergies."
Sorry lady, but if exposure to acorns can kill your kid, your kid isn't going to make it.

"You might want to try not getting attached. Maybe, don't name them."

Great comedy bit on allergies in schools that had me in total stitches.

I don't think it was exposure she was worried about.

I'm sorry, this statement confused me, can you explain?
 

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"You might want to try not getting attached. Maybe, don't name them."

Great comedy bit on allergies in schools that had me in total stitches.

Yes! I saw that one, Tim something or other. Nutt maybe? Suggest a plastic bubble? Lol. Fantastic bit!!
 

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I don't think it was exposure she was worried about.

She made reference to bullies. I know of a kid (actually he is 21 now) with a severe peanut allergy and he was bullied in his younger days. Some kids would tell him that they were going to hold him down and fill his mouth with peanut butter. I just think that goes a little beyond "exposure". It's kind of like telling someone on the Titanic that they may experience some wetness.
 

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"You might want to try not getting attached. Maybe, don't name them."

Great comedy bit on allergies in schools that had me in total stitches.
Ah, that tweaked my memory. Took me a while to find it, but I guess now I have to confess to plagiarism. Starts around 6:20 in this little video. though I think it's worth watching the rest of it to get there, this guy's pretty good. In my defense, it was 11 years ago, I can't be expected to remember who said everything I've ever heard anybody say. :)

Simon B. Cotter - Just For Laughs 2001 - YouTube
 

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She made reference to bullies. I know of a kid (actually he is 21 now) with a severe peanut allergy and he was bullied in his younger days. Some kids would tell him that they were going to hold him down and fill his mouth with peanut butter. I just think that goes a little beyond "exposure". It's kind of like telling someone on the Titanic that they may experience some wetness.

uhm, no, her primary complaint was allergies if you read the article and her statements.

Taking away the acorns wouldn't stop a bully from threatening to come shove a kids mouth full of peanut butter anyway.

Bullies will bully regardless of the tools at their disposal.
 

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uhm, no, her primary complaint was allergies if you read the article and her statements.

Taking away the acorns wouldn't stop a bully from threatening to come shove a kids mouth full of peanut butter anyway.

Bullies will bully regardless of the tools at their disposal.

I understand what her complaint was. What I'm saying is that she mentioned bullying so I was wondering if kids were being bullied.

I understand bullies will bully. Schools have banned peanut butter because it's easy. Cutting down a tree is easy. Stopping the bullying takes more effort.
 

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I understand what her complaint was. What I'm saying is that she mentioned bullying so I was wondering if kids were being bullied.

I understand bullies will bully. Schools have banned peanut butter because it's easy. Cutting down a tree is easy. Stopping the bullying takes more effort.

Giustizia...

“The acorns are not only presenting a risk to the tree nut-allergic students but it is also becoming a great cause of anxiety amongst all students with nut allergies,”

They shouldn't. They obviously need to be educated on what is or isn't a danger.

Giustizia...

can also be used to bully and torment children.”

Almost anything can be used to bully someone with. I understand some folks wish to waste money to cut down trees that the town paid for, for something that might happen. I'm not one of them.

Acorns pose no contact threat to people with nut allergies, as the experts have explained.

Stuffing anything in someones mouth isn't bullying, it's assault. We already have laws to deal with that.
 
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Ron in Regina

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Acorns pose no contact threat to people with nut allergies, as the experts have explained.

This is about the only real contact threat I can picture regarding Acorns to people with nut allergies...8O



....but pretty much anything in place of an Acorn in a slingshot can be a contact threat to people with
nut allergies. ;-)
 

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“The acorns are not only presenting a risk to the tree nut-allergic students but it is also becoming a great cause of anxiety amongst all students with nut allergies,” Giustizia wrote in her request to appear before the committee, adding that acorns “can also be used to bully and torment children.”
It really is quite simple.

If this has been happening and if the school has turned a blind eye to it, it's very difficult for me to call the woman a nut. People may be focusing their attention in the wrong direction.

Whether acorns are harmless is a side issue as it would seem that neither the school nor the school board were aware of that fact.
 

Ron in Regina

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....Whether acorns are harmless is a side issue as it would seem that neither the school nor the school board were aware of that fact.

....and the woman wasn't aware that the acorns where a non-issue, so I hear you. It
was smörgåsbord of ignorance by all parties involved, and now hopefully everyone
has a better understanding of the non-issue than they all did before.

The fact that this school has an "Allergy Committee" and this woman (Guistizia) also
Chairs this committee is an interesting Acorn....or..uhm, Chestnut I guess, in itself.
 

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The fact that this school has an "Allergy Committee" and this woman (Guistizia) also
Chairs this committee is an interesting Acorn....or..uhm, Chestnut I guess, in itself.

Ya, if you're going to criticize the woman for not knowing about acorns, you have to criticize everybody involved. I'm more interested in the details that led up the the events depicted in the story.
 

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I'm more interested in the details that led up the the events depicted in the story.
An agenda...

Donna Giustizia - Ward 2 Civic Hero Award, 2010

Vaughan Council recognized Ward 2 resident Donna Giustizia with the Civic Hero Award for her work advocating for educational reforms and community needs for those affected by anaphylaxis, or severe life threatening allergies. Ms. Giustizia has children who have been diagnosed with anaphylaxis.


Ms. Giustizia spearheaded the implementation of a comprehensive school allergy plan in Ontario that was adopted by her children’s school and formed the basis of the plan which was put into effect by all the schools governed by its board.


Anaphylaxis reactions are rapid and may result in death without immediate treatment. Food is the most common cause, but insect stings, medicine, latex or exercise can trigger anaphylaxis. It has been estimated that more than 600,000 Canadians are at risk of anaphylaxis.


“I would like to take this opportunity to recognize Ms. Giustizia for her efforts in assisting Canadians diagnosed with anaphylaxis and helping them to maintain a high quality of life,” said Ward 2 Councillor Tony Carella, who nominated her for the award.


She's obviously more knowledgeable about lobbying than nut allergies.