Extreme weather and drought.

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beaker

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Ron in Regina said:
...to you. A couple years back, there where something like 50+ current
(& close to current) Threads on Isreal, Palestine, the Middle East, and
the whole ball of hate that goes with it...frequented by the same 8-10
people pretty much exclusively. Any other Thread on any other topic
got pushed off the front page in no time flat.

Same thing happened for some reason with the Haiti Earthquake...

Same thing happened with RCMP Tazer'n that Polish dude in the
Vancouver airport...

Weirdly, above, most multiple threads on the same topic where started
by the same very few people, & they'd be able (to themselves) to justify
it 'cuz they perceived some minor difference in articles, or whatever.

If this was solely the Anthropogenic Global Climate Cooling Warming
Changing Forum exclusively, then yeah, fill your boots and create 100
Threads on the same topic 'cuz the only people there would only be
interested in that one topic only anyway. Members could copy&paste
what they thought of as a witty responce into their top 10 favorite
Threads on the same-same subject, and it just might fit...and bump
the other Threads (all on the same subject) off the front page.

Sounds awesome, eh? This happens to not be solely the Anthropogenic
Global Climate Cooling Warming Changing Forum exclusively though,
so we try to use some common sense, and check for existing threads
on the same topic before creating another on the exact same topic or
news story. Sometimes you miss seeing it though & that happens. A
Mod can merge them if need be.
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If the mods combine threads that are similar, I think that is good, The other side of your argument is that information on an older thread will probably have relevance to a later idea. On the other hand search engines aren't as good as they might be, and it is easier to introduce a new topic/thread than to search all over for a similar one. I notice for example that few of the opportunities to link each thread are used, making it guesswork to know which keywords to use in a search.

The other thing is that this really is the Climate Change forum. See the links above. So the ability to introduce threads which have different backgrounds or insights is based on the amount of information that is out there on the topic.
 
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Cabbagesandking

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coldstream said:
An op-ed piece. Part of the campaign of Financiers to rule the world through Carbon Credits.. by buying off failed academics and pagan occultists.. who pander their LIES.

There's nothing to worry about there, there is NO AGW, and there is no extreme weather that has not been experienced in cycles over the geological history of the Earth.. The only thing certain about that.. is it has NOTHING to do with carbon... a fractional element in the earth's atmosphere.
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What a foolish response. Did you not read the names (credits) of the scientists who are responsible for the piece.

JLM said:
How many threads do we need to discuss this phenomenum that occurs from time to time?
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But it does not occur from time to time as you will understand if you read it.

eh1eh said:
Global warming is happening. It has happened before. The thermometer doesn't lie.
The CO2 levels have increased, obviously, due to human activity.
Does this mean the current warming trend is caused by the increased CO2? We just don't know for sure.
Does this mean there is not a warming trend? Duh. See thermometer comment above.
It is a circle of doubt and uncertainty.
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Of course we know for sure! There is no other explanation as countless studies and investigations have shown.

Ron in Regina said:
...to you. A couple years back, there where something like 50+ current
(& close to current) Threads on Isreal, Palestine, the Middle East, and
the whole ball of hate that goes with it...frequented by the same 8-10
people pretty much exclusively. Any other Thread on any other topic
got pushed off the front page in no time flat.

Same thing happened for some reason with the Haiti Earthquake...

Same thing happened with RCMP Tazer'n that Polish dude in the
Vancouver airport...

Weirdly, above, most multiple threads on the same topic where started
by the same very few people, & they'd be able (to themselves) to justify
it 'cuz they perceived some minor difference in articles, or whatever.

If this was solely the Anthropogenic Global Climate Cooling Warming
Changing Forum exclusively, then yeah, fill your boots and create 100
Threads on the same topic 'cuz the only people there would only be
interested in that one topic only anyway. Members could copy&paste
what they thought of as a witty responce into their top 10 favorite
Threads on the same-same subject, and it just might fit...and bump
the other Threads (all on the same subject) off the front page.

Sounds awesome, eh? This happens to not be solely the Anthropogenic
Global Climate Cooling Warming Changing Forum exclusively though,
so we try to use some common sense, and check for existing threads
on the same topic before creating another on the exact same topic or
news story. Sometimes you miss seeing it though & that happens. A
Mod can merge them if need be.
Click to expand...
There is a huge difference, ron. AGW happens to be a thousand times more important than those other issues. Also, there is new information every day. New studies: news of fresh looming disasters.

This particular study answers the common response to drought with the "it's happened before," " the Dust Bowl." If you actually read the OP you will see that it has not happened before: that it is very different than the Thrties and far worse already.

It is also world wide as is shown.
 
CDNBear

CDNBear

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Cabbagesandking said:
There is a huge difference, ron. AGW happens to be a thousand times more important than those other issues. Also, there is new information every day. New studies: news of fresh looming disasters.

This particular study answers the common response to drought with the "it's happened before," " the Dust Bowl." If you actually read the OP you will see that it has not happened before: that it is very different than the Thrties and far worse already.

It is also world wide as is shown.
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Ron in Regina said:
Weirdly, above, most multiple threads on the same topic where started
by the same very few people, & they'd be able (to themselves) to justify
it 'cuz they perceived some minor difference in articles, or whatever.
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How prophetic.
 
taxslave

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cabbagesandking said:
until recently, many scientists spoke of climate change mainly as a “threat,” sometime in the future. But it is increasingly clear that we already live in the era of human-induced climate change, with a growing frequency of weather and climate extremes like heat waves, droughts, floods and fires.
Future precipitation trends, based on climate model projections for the coming fifth assessment from the intergovernmental panel on climate change, indicate that droughts of this length and severity will be commonplace through the end of the century unless human-induced carbon emissions are significantly reduced. Indeed, assuming business as usual, each of the next 80 years in the american west is expected to see less rainfall than the average of the five years of the drought that hit the region from 2000 to 2004.
That extreme drought (which we have analyzed in a new study in the journal nature-geoscience) had profound consequences for carbon sequestration, agricultural productivity and water resources: Plants, for example, took in only half the carbon dioxide they do normally, thanks to a drought-induced drop in photosynthesis.
In the drought’s worst year, western crop yields were down by 13 percent, with many local cases of complete crop failure. Major river basins showed 5 percent to 50 percent reductions in flow. These reductions persisted up to three years after the drought ended, because the lakes and reservoirs that feed them needed several years of average rainfall to return to predrought levels.
In terms of severity and geographic extent, the 2000-4 drought in the west exceeded such legendary events as the dust bowl of the 1930s. While that drought saw intervening years of normal rainfall, the years of the turn-of-the-century drought were consecutive. More seriously still, long-term climate records from tree-ring chronologies show that this drought was the most severe event of its kind in the western united states in the past 800 years. Though there have been many extreme droughts over the last 1,200 years, only three other events have been of similar magnitude, all during periods of “megadroughts.”
most frightening is that this extreme event could become the new normal: Climate models point to a warmer planet, largely because of greenhouse gas emissions. Planetary warming, in turn, is expected to create drier conditions across western north america, because of the way global-wind and atmospheric-pressure patterns shift in response.
Indeed, scientists see signs of the relationship between warming and drought in western north america by analyzing trends over the last 100 years; evidence suggests that the more frequent drought and low precipitation events observed for the west during the 20th century are associated with increasing temperatures across the northern hemisphere.
These climate-model projections suggest that what we consider today to be an episode of severe drought might even be classified as a period of abnormal wetness by the end of the century and that a coming megadrought — a prolonged, multidecade period of significantly below-average precipitation — is possible and likely in the american west.
The current drought plaguing the country is worryingly consistent with these expectations. Although we do not attribute any single event to global warming, the severity of both the turn-of-the-century drought and the current one is consistent with simulations accounting for warming from increased greenhouse gases. The northern hemisphere has just recorded its 327th consecutive month in which the temperature exceeded the 20th-century average. This year had the fourth-warmest winter on record, with record-shattering high temperatures in march. And 2012 has already seen huge wildfires in colorado and other western states. More than 3,200 heat records were broken in june alone.
And yet that may be only the beginning, a fact that should force us to confront the likelihood of new and painful challenges. A megadrought would present a major risk to water resources in the american west, which are distributed through a complex series of local, state and regional water-sharing agreements and laws. Virtually every drop of water flowing in the american west is legally claimed, sometimes by several users, and the demand is expected to increase as the population grows.
Many western cities will have to fundamentally change how they acquire and use water. The sort ofhttp://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/12/opinion/sunday/extreme-weather-and-drought-are-here-to-stay.html?_r=1 temporary emergency steps that we grudgingly adopt during periods of low rainfall — fewer showers, lawn-watering bans — will become permanent. Some regions will become impossible to farm because of lack of irrigation water. Thermoelectric energy production will compete for limited water resources.
There is still time to prevent the worst; the risk of a multidecade megadrought in the american west can be reduced if we reduce fossil-fuel emissions. But there can be little doubt that what was once thought to be a future threat is suddenly, catastrophically upon us.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/12/o...eather-and-drought-are-here-to-stay.html?_r=1
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the sky is falling. The sky is falling. Quick destroy the economy.
 
damngrumpy

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To start with the weather we are having is called a heatwave and some summers we
have them its not the new normal at all.
Secondly the wealthy are always looking for more wealth have been since the dawn
of history. There is a periodic cure though and it happens from time to time. I think
the last time the wealthy were educated seriously by the masses was during the
French Revolution, before they were done there was a big variety basket of heads.
 
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