Expanding CPP is best way to protect pensions

tay

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Pensions are, in effect, the fruit of forced savings. Workers forego wages now for the promise of income after retirement.

The actual payments are usually split between employer and employee. But conceptually, both represent the same thing — deferred wages.

In North America, company pension plans took off during the Second World War as a way to get around wage controls. It might be illegal to offer scarce workers higher wages. But it was all right to offer non-wage benefits like pensions.

After the war, the growth of unions encouraged the expansion of company pension plans. But it was always a minority of workers who benefitted from them.

The quality of your pension depended on how well managed your company was. If you were lucky, you retired well. But companies go bankrupt. And, if you worked for Sears or Nortel, you were left up the creek.

That is why Walkom believes the best solution is to expand the public pension system:
The CPP is well-run and financially self-sustaining. As the Sears saga demonstrates, even the biggest private enterprises can go out of business. The government of Canada, which ultimately backs the CPP, cannot easily do the same.

If there is a future in pension reform, it is with the CPP. Changing the bankruptcy laws to put pensioners at the front of the queue, as both the New Democrats and Bloc Québécois suggest, is a fine idea. But it doesn’t deal with the fact that the company pension plan such a move would protect is a thing of the past.

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https://www.thestar.com/opinion/con...p-is-best-way-to-protect-pensions-walkom.html
 

Hoid

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"The CPP is well-run and financially self-sustaining."

What other fund gets a % of every dollar every Canadian ever makes?

It is self-sustaining in that the people who run it make the rules.
 

tay

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Finance ministers to talk changes to value, calculation of CPP benefits


"We need CPP enhancements to put a focus not just on improving the plan 40 years from now, but to make it better for Canadians right now," Manitoba finance minister Cameron Friesen said.

The changes finance ministers agreed to last year will increase the benefits Canadians receive in retirement, increase how much income is eligible for CPP coverage to $82,700 and also increase how much employees and employers pay in premiums to cover the changes.

But the ministers didn’t include specific provisions to exclude time taken out of the workforce to raise a child or due to disability from the calculation to determine how much people will receive in retirement benefits.

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Finance ministers to talk changes to value, calculation of CPP benefits | Toronto Sun
 

justlooking

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Have you seen their profits after Liberal mitts were banned from the cookie jar?

CPP Fund Totals $316.7 Billion at 2017 Fiscal Year-End


CPP has a TRILLION $$$ of unfunded liabilities, and it get higher as more Boomers retire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Pension_Plan#Unfunded_liability

Unfunded liability

The unfunded liability is increasing at a rate of about $25 billion per year. The unfunded liabilities reported in the last few Actuarial Reports are:
Year Actuarial Report Unfunded Liability
1997 17th $428 billion
2000 18th $443 billion[10]
2003 21st $516 billion
2006 23rd $620 billion
2009 25th $748 billion[11]
2012 26th $829 billion[12]
2015 27th $884 billion[13]

Unlike most pension plans, the unfunded liability is not reported on the balance sheet of the Canada Pension Plan's financial statements. [16] Consequently, the balance sheet reports that the CPP's assets exceed its liabilities by $269 billion as at March 31, 2015.
They want extra funding to help bail it out, because for decades they have not collected enough.
 

justlooking

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Check the dates. They made $100B since the wikidoohiki

Did you notice they don't publish the increase in unfunded liabilities, nor so they provide
a spending forecast for the next 20 years.

OTOH, since everything is so good, then we don't need those million migrants to
pay for the pensions. :lol:
 

Durry

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Any increases to CPP premiums should be voluntary.

It's high time people grew up and learned to look after their own retirement.
There are plenty of options available for a worker to plan and fund his own retirement.
 

taxslave

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I wouldn't be opposed to an expanded CPP but the question is can we keep politicians from manipulating it to buy votes? They are already trying to reduce the viability of TFSAs.My union pension is defined benefit and fully funded.
 

petros

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I wouldn't be opposed to an expanded CPP but the question is can we keep politicians from manipulating it to buy votes? They are already trying to reduce the viability of TFSAs.My union pension is defined benefit and fully funded.
Govt can't touch it.