Expand burka ban, says Muslim group

[Durry]

I'd like to see the end of the burka and niqab worldwide but I think education and exposure to freedom and women's rights is what will ultimately bring that about rather than legislation.

Don't count on education and freedom to have any influence on these people. We're talking about a religious issue,,,,for them.... Look at the Sikhs, have you seen any changes here???
People need to be told and given an option...full stop !!!!

The test should always be, is it in the public good and interest. Then just go ahead and make the laws/changes. !!!

 

[gerryh]

Don't count on education and freedom to have any influence on these people. We're talking about a religious issue,,,,for them.... Look at the Sikhs, have you seen any changes here???
People need to be told and given an option...full stop !!!!

What about the Sikhs?

 

[damngrumpy]

In this case let us look at the concept of the burka and religion. The burka is not
part of the religious dress, it is part of traditions and customs therefore in this case,
it is not hateful and the Islamic community supports getting rid of the burka in Canada.
While I think there is more important issues for Canada it could be part of a discussion
without being considered hateful. The Islamic Community seems to want this one
debated. I have heard other conversations on radio with regard to this. It is too bad
that even mentioning such a thing brings out the worst in some people.

 

[Durry]

that even mentioning such a thing brings out the worst in some people.

It also provides an opportunity to bring out the best in some people.... !!!

 

[SLM]

Careful....

;-) Bear's on. He'll be offerin' to be undergarmets....

Lol.

Well you are already being told what you have to wear, you can't walk around in the nude. It's against the law!!

Not entirely true. I can go topless if I choose to.

Try walking into a bank with a bag over your head!!!
You ever see those signs,,,must have shoes and a shirt to enter!!!

Wake up, the world is full of rules and laws inspire of your dream world ideology!!!

I wish I could wake up as you're quite the nightmare.

I go back and forth on whether burkas and niqabs should be banned from publically funded places (I don't think there can be an alright ban). On the one hand, I don't think the gov't should be passing laws that dictate what people can or cannot wear. On the other hand the burka is a cloth prison, a symbol of Islamism in many ways, and it is related to horrible inhumanity and human rights abuses against women in countries where women are killed and oppressed. And I think it can be a safety issue, although in most cases it won't be. I find it a very difficult issue to make up my mind on. I'd like to see the end of the burka and niqab worldwide but I think education and exposure to freedom and women's rights is what will ultimately bring that about rather than legislation.

I don't disagree that's it's symbolic (from my point of view) of human rights abuses against women, but I still fail to see how forcing a woman not to wear it is any better than forcing her to wear it. As far as passing laws dictating what people can or cannot wear, it just seems like way too slippery of a slope to me. What is or could be next? Slogans on tee-shirts? Tattoos and piercings? Where does the line sit with regards to individual expression vs the collective "public good"?

 

[petros]

Ban toques in summer.

 

[SLM]

Ban toques in summer.

And flip flops in winter.

 

[Spade]

Ban toques in summer.

Good point!

On the same theme, I don't believe anyone over the age of fifty should be permitted to wear spandex. There ought to be a law. Yes, I know some will argue that this is a matter of religious freedom, that this is a Christian country, and that those who disapprove of spandex on the elderly should go back where they came from. But really! It's is offensive enough to see spandex on a younger cyclist, but a senior jogger, really!

Those immigrating to this peaceable kingdom must be told that if they want to enjoy the benefits of Canadian citizenship, no spandex on the overly mature. Certainly, it should not be allowed even as Sunday-go-to-meeting attire, at citizen-swearing-in ceremonies, schools, airports, or government offices.

Really it's not that I am bigotted, but if we were visiting their country, would we be allowed to wear stripes and polkadots? What's good for the duck, is good for the drake!

Please, Mr. Baird, open a Freedom-from-Spandex Office.

 

[petros]

If a black long robe is hiding hideous cottage cheese, then what's the problem?

 

[earth_as_one]

Good idea. But a simpler one is to take in far fewer immigrants for a few decades. Then we will have fewer issues like this to worry about . Or issues like the Toronto 18, honour killings, or a growing imbalance in males over females in urban areas in the country due to growing ethnic enclaves.



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How many of the Toronto 18 wore Burkas? I don't think any did. So what you are really getting at is that Canada should be hostile towards Muslims in general, and you think a good place to start is by needlessly harassing Muslim women.

I support the right of Canadians to freely choose what they want to wear or not wear without state interference, provided their choice doesn't affect anyone else or create a safety hazard,

 

[petros]

I support the right of Canadians to freely choose what they want to wear or not wear without state interference, provided their choice doesn't affect anyone else or create a safety hazard,

I really really really don't want or need to see a gunt.

Do you?

 

[earth_as_one]

Not particularly, but we don't need the fashion police. Live and let live. I am against criminalizing items of clothing.

BTW, it sounds like you support some women wearing a burka even if they aren't Muslim, depending on how fat and ugly they are.

 

[petros]

Not particularly, but we don't need the fashion police. Live and let live. I am against criminalizing items of clothing.

BTW, it sounds like you support some women wearing a burka even if they aren't Muslim, depending on how fat and ugly they are.

We already have fashion police and you can spend time in the hoosegow for wearing certain clothing.. You never knew that?

 

[Durry]

Not entirely true. I can go topless if I choose to.
od"?

No you can't, only men can go topless. Women can't even tan on a beach topless.
As usual, women have to be controlled !!! LOL !!

We already have fashion police and you can spend time in the hoosegow for wearing certain clothing.. You never knew that?

No, I didn't know that, what kind of clothing??

 

[petros]

No, I didn't know that, what kind of clothing??

Everything from track suits to denim.

 

[SLM]

No you can't

Not true, there have been a number of successful court cases.

only men can go topless.

Many of whom have larger mammary glands too.

As usual, women have to be controlled !!! LOL !!

As usual, a paragon of enlightenment.

 

[Durry]

Not true, there have been a number of successful court cases.
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They only applied to specific cases. It's not law!!
Can't bear your boobs on public !!! It's still against the law!! *sigh*, the things we men have to address to maintain a civil society !!!

Errr clarification ,,,,,"reasonable men" !!

 

[Just the Facts]

Yes in Ontario at least, women can be topless in public as long as it is not in a sexual context. So you can't be spinning around topless on a stripper pole, but you can shed your top on a hot day.

As for Burkas I thought they always were illegal, there was a law called "wearing a disguise" that applied to covering your face or hiding your identity. The only exceptions in the law were halloween and thespians....so a street performer or a clown could dress up, but that's about it.

Maybe they did away with that law. I'd be interested if anyone else had heard of this.

 

[SLM]

They only applied to specific cases. It's not law!!

What effect do you think court decisions have on written law?

Can't bear your boobs on public !!! It's still against the law!! *sigh*,

Once again, no it isn't.

And it isn't about 'bearing boobs' (unless your twelve) it's about freedom of choice. Not unlike the choice of what to wear.

the things we men have to address to maintain a civil society !!!

Errr clarification ,,,,,"reasonable men" !!

A sentiment echoed by many members of the taliban no doubt.

 

[Durry]

And it isn't about 'bearing boobs' (unless your twelve) it's about freedom of choice. Not unlike the choice of what to wear.
bt.

Ok, so can I walk around with my tools hanging out?? Where's my freedom of choice ???