Ex-gay singer clipped from MLK hoedown

[petros]

Georgetown and Notre Dame and a host of other 'Catholic' Universities should have had their 'Catholic' status rescinded when they sanctioned GLBT social organizations and endorsed abortion as a 'woman's right'. There are a few real Catholic higher educational institutions left.. but they tend to be small and shun all government grants.. which come with strings.

Bravo Sierra!!!

 

[karrie]

That's not the policy, karrie. Most men, even priests.. have inclinations to healthy sexuality.. within a chaste family life at its most constructive. That is the nature of a sacrificial priesthood.. it involves giving up through celibacy this divine and natural gift.

A committed homosexual.. deeply oriented to the disorder.. although celibate.. is still ineligible for the priesthood in a strict sense. Sure some get through.... but so do priests who are thieves, murderers...

You seem intent of pressing the point that the Church sees no difference between heterosexuality and homosexuality as primary motive, if not acted upon. That is simply not the case.

You seem pretty intent on twisting their messages, by conflating things like 'homosexual acts', and 'homosexual orientations'. All the while, dismissing the words spoken by the pope himself. I suspect that along with the views of colleges and universities you feel should be expelled from the order, you're soon going to feel the church itself needs expulsion from its own views.

Time marches on, and leaves history where it belongs.

And Amen for that fact.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Most priests I know put in a pretty long work week. But perhaps it's more noticeable in small towns.

Let me revise my answer. I'm sorry, karrie. I was just running my mouth, mostly out of irritation with coldstream. It was wrong of me to impugn the work ethic of priests.

 

[karrie]

Let me revise my answer. I'm sorry, karrie. I was just running my mouth, mostly out of irritation with coldstream. It was wrong of me to impugn the work ethic of priests.

Thank you.

I know a lot of people won't gather it from the disparity in attitude and stance between coldstream and me, but I'm Catholic. I have a large array of priests and nuns in the family, and still actually attend church. I've debated homosexuality with many in my day, and listened to priests condemn the stance of the old guard in homilies that would make you wish they were aired on television. 'Christians' like coldstream make people hate religion, because the people who aren't like him, aren't out yelling about how bad gay people are.

 

[L Gilbert]

Well Elton John has admitted to sexual encounters with hundreds of men, and spent a good part of the 80s and 90s addicted to cocaine. He seems a classic case of profligate homosexual lifestye.. except he's rich.. instead of an aging, impoverished recluse. The average number of sexual partners for heterosexual men in the West prior to marriage is 4, usually in the context of an extended relationship.. for homosexuals it is a 1000+, almost all anonymous and singular. Homosexual 'marriages' seldom involve any form of fidelity.. hence they are mere conveniences.. platforms for promiscuity. Misery seeks company.. and these 'marriages' are mere cases of companions in misery.

.... he retorts with his usual unfounded opinions.
BTW, Bozo, how many hetero marriages are there not based upon fidelity? How many hetero marriages are miserable? How many heteros are running around jumping everything they see that walks on two legs? How many rich and famous heteros haven't had a bit of drug in their life? Like I said, so far, all you've shown in your impressively ignorant opinion. Prove Elton John and David Furnish are miserable or shut the fuk up.

Don't hold your breath, karrie. As for homosexual priests... you are correct in saying that the definition of a homosexual for the Church is one who actually practices homosexuality.. however.. the inclination to homosexuality is deemed to be a sign of a severely disordered identity and profound sexual immaturity and is inconsistent with a call to the priesthood. Since the abuse scandal prospective priests are given a battery of tests and in depth interviews to determine the authenticity of their vocation. If any deep orientation to or fascination with homosexuality is detected.. the candidate will be excluded. That's the policy.

Yeah, well, like I said, the RCC isn't exactly caught up to reality.

That seems to back up what i said. Deep orientation to homosexuality.. no ordination.

Nono, you went past that and keep omitting the fact that ordination is ALSO denied to sexually active hetero. Boy, that's some filter you've got in your tiny little hazelnut shell of a mind.

which is in this case.. both profoundly unnatural

attaboy, keep sticking to that profound ignorance.

That's not the policy, karrie.

In your opinion, but then you have that massive filter which dictates to you only the parts you want to see which affects your opinion immensely.

Most men, even priests.. have inclinations to healthy sexuality.. within a chaste family life at its most constructive. That is the nature of a sacrificial priesthood.. it involves giving up through celibacy this divine and natural gift.

And you are saying that homosexuals can't sacrifice. You're fulla sh|t.

A committed homosexual.. deeply oriented to the disorder.. although celibate.. is still ineligible for the priesthood in a strict sense. Sure some get through.... but so do priests who are thieves, murderers...

According to you. your opinion is no big deal.

 

[Walter]

Whine some more, little girl.

My boobies won't grow?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

My boobies won't grow?

Sounds like a hormone problem to me. That'd explain your posting style, too.

 

[Kreskin]

That's funny. God told me not to listen to his singing.

 

[EagleSmack]

Bravo Sierra!!!

Bum Scoop?

 

[coldstream]

You seem pretty intent on twisting their messages, by conflating things like 'homosexual acts', and 'homosexual orientations'. All the while, dismissing the words spoken by the pope himself. I suspect that along with the views of colleges and universities you feel should be expelled from the order, you're soon going to feel the church itself needs expulsion from its own views.

Time marches on, and leaves history where it belongs.

And Amen for that fact.

That's the difference between the Church and modern society. The Church sees some things as eternal and intransient.. modern society sees nothing as eternal and everything as relative.

The cult of history, as originated in the Enlightenment, especially in the philosophy of Hegel.. is the dogma of the modern age. It is the basis of most of the great atrocities of our time.. fascism, communism, social darwinism, economic darwinism (in amoral free market capitalism).. all find their rationales in the 'inevitability' of history.

And all will fall to their own internal contradictions, their materialism, and their cruelty.

.... he retorts with his usual unfounded opinions.
BTW, Bozo, how many hetero marriages are there not based upon fidelity? How many hetero marriages are miserable? How many heteros are running around jumping everything they see that walks on two legs? How many rich and famous heteros haven't had a bit of drug in their life? Like I said, so far, all you've shown in your impressively ignorant opinion. Prove Elton John and David Furnish are miserable or shut the fuk up.

Yeah, well, like I said, the RCC isn't exactly caught up to reality.

Nono, you went past that and keep omitting the fact that ordination is ALSO denied to sexually active hetero. Boy, that's some filter you've got in your tiny little hazelnut shell of a mind.

attaboy, keep sticking to that profound ignorance.

In your opinion, but then you have that massive filter which dictates to you only the parts you want to see which affects your opinion immensely. And you are saying that homosexuals can't sacrifice. You're fulla sh|t.

According to you. your opinion is no big deal.

blah, blah, blah.. you seem like one of these fighters i see on MMA now and again, LG.. who flail away wildly but never hit anything.

 

[karrie]

That's the difference between the Church and modern society. The Church sees some things as eternal and intransient.. modern society sees nothing as eternal and everything as relative.

The cult of history, as originated in the Enlightenment, especially in the philosophy of Hegel.. is the dogma of the modern age. It is the basis of most of the great atrocities of our time.. fascism, communism, social darwinism, economic darwinism (in amoral free market capitalism).. all find their rationales in the 'inevitability' of history.

And all will fall to their own internal contradictions, their materialism, and their cruelty.

The Catholic Church is built upon transiency and cultural accomodation, even while preaching that some things are eternal. God changed from a vengeful god, to one of peace, kindness, and compassion. The rules of Leviticus were overwritten by a New Testament. In order to bring people into its fold, the church overlaid pagan festivals with its own. Its history is one of flexibility, change, and accommodation.

If you want to talk about the greatest atrocities of our time, you need to take a long hard look at the rigid application of religion, as being at the root of many of them. Take a long hard look at the Middle East, and the atrocities that are bred, when people try to force religion upon others.

 

[petros]

Take a long hard look at the Middle East, and the atrocities that are bred, when people try to force religion upon others.

Did you ever consider that maybe it's all the unemployment, foreign run puppet governments and good old fashioned boredom that has the panties of the Mid East in a knot?

 

[karrie]

Did you ever consider that maybe it's all the unemployment, foreign run puppet governments and good old fashioned boredom that has the panties of the Mid East in a knot?

Oh there are many layers to the issue, no doubt. But, one of the resounding things that rings loud and clear behind many of the most heinous acts is 'you have to behave according to my religion'.

 

[petros]

Or is that just what we a re led to believe in the west? In the west we just hide our religious belief behind govt and do as we please.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Did you ever consider that maybe it's all the unemployment, foreign run puppet governments and good old fashioned boredom that has the panties of the Mid East in a knot?

You mean this is all one big, elaborate prank?

 

[petros]

If 2 Billion Muzzies were really that bent on ruling the world, we'd all have been offed or yelling Allahlujah a looooong time ago.

 

[karrie]

Or is that just what we a re led to believe in the west? In the west we just hide our religious belief behind govt and do as we please.

I don't think it's any better when Christians try to force people to behave according to their scriptures, thus my pointing out to coldstream that he's not behaving much different from the other fundamentalists in the world.

 

[petros]

I don't think it's any better when Christians try to force people to behave according to their scriptures, thus my pointing out to coldstream that he's not behaving much different from the other fundamentalists in the world.

Evangelicals (which I don't consider part of any Religion) was a religious sect created solely to be manipulated by political need.

 

[Walter]

Bunch of heterophobes.

 

[Locutus]

So what did we decide about this?

Gospel singer Donnie McClurkin, who has said God delivered him from “the curse” of homosexuality, did not appear in a Saturday evening concert celebrating the 50th anniversary of the March on Washington, after several gay rights activists objected to his participation in the event.