Everybody Draw Mohammed Day

Ron in Regina

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That's all well and fine, but you're overlooking one important point. You'd be dead.


.....and on that happy note....

If any of the non-Moslems (Christians or Mormons) wish to declare a
Fatwa or Jihad or whatever against me due to any offensive cartoons
I've posted here in this thread to try & make a point, call ahead first &
bring beer, & I'll fire up the BBQ and go pick up some sausage. I feel
the need to warn you though that the weather isn't too nice out here
this weekend though. Any takers?
 

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That's all well and fine, but you're overlooking one important point. You'd be dead.

I wouldn't go down without a fight if I had a chance to fight. And if I didn't have the chance to fight, then at least I'd die having done what I'd wanted to do, thus still coming out victorious over an enemy intent on intimidating me to conform to their rules. However, the point is I'd die vegan because I'd chosen to be vegan in spite of them. You and Colpie would die vegan because they'd have forced you to become vegan to make a point. I'd die free, having done what I'd wanted. You'd die having done what you normally would not have done but did as a reaction to them, allowing them to control your lives.
 

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We live in a free society and are free to depict anyone the way we want to depict them.
Religious leaders/mouth pieces, are fair game, and especially those who write about killing infedels.
 
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I watched CBC Newsworld as the reporter refused to show the Facebook page for the event, saying "we don't want to offend anyone"........

Craven Coward Award of the Week goes to....

What we need to do is have every newspaper in the west print submissions for Draw Mohammed Day.

When freedom of speech is challenged, the ONLY acceptable response is open defiance.

The CBC is willing to offend others, but stops at Muslims. Don't want to offend? Informing people with news means they may be offended. The CBC has gotta get some guts. A free media is more important than religion. Religion is false, so why worry about offending it?
 

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drawing Mohammed won't change anything, it doesn't matter for me i will go on respcting ever..
drawing Mohammed will change the view of that you are respectful to the others' faiths and will prove you turn into the ones whom you accuse of being intolerant and disrespectful.
there is a Turkish proverb reading :
" -stewepot ! your bottom is black
-but yours is blacker than mine"
 

eanassir

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Terror and Horror :pale:

Once I went by bus, and I sat near a lady: post-middle age woman; she said to me: "Do you see that old man sitting there in the front of the bus?"

I said: "What about him?"

She said: "I am afraid of him, and of the basket in his hand; it may be loaded by explosives, and he might be a suicide bomber?"

I was much surprised of that woman, and said to her:
"Woman, you are an associater: certainly you associate the imams and sheikhs with God in the worship: so that you worship the imams and shaikhs as do you worship God: by the way of the enthusiasm about such imams and shaikhs; while the glorification is due to God alone."

Then I added: "What has this old man said or done to you, so that you are so afraid of him; but listen, woman, God cast the terror in the hearts of disbelievers, idolaters and associaters: because of their association with God; as God said in the Quran 3: 151

سَنُلْقِي فِي قُلُوبِ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ الرُّعْبَ بِمَا أَشْرَكُواْ بِاللّهِ مَا لَمْ يُنَزِّلْ بِهِ سُلْطَانًا وَمَأْوَاهُمُ النَّارُ وَبِئْسَ مَثْوَى الظَّالِمِينَ


The explanation:
([in the next war] We will cast, into the hearts of the unbelievers, terror; for that they have associated with God that for which He revealed no commandment; their resort shall be Fire; evil indeed is such resort of the wrong-doers.)

And as it is mentioned in the Torah: the Book of Levites: chapter 26
(14 "'But if you will not listen to me, and will not do all these commandments;
15 and if you shall reject my statutes, and if your soul abhors my ordinances, so that you will not do all my commandments, but break my covenant;
16 I also will do this to you: I will appoint terror over you, even consumption and fever, that shall consume the eyes, and make the soul to pine away; and you will sow your seed in vain, for your enemies will eat it.
17 I will set my face against you, and you will be struck before your enemies. Those who hate you will rule over you; and you will flee when no one pursues you.)
 
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Ron in Regina

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So eanassir, in layman's terms, in non-quoted & plain language, what are
you saying?

I've read what you posted, & the message is mixed & confusing. The woman
is afraid of someone she doesn't know, and thus she must not be a believer
in what you believe, so she should be terrorized until she agrees with you?

Huh?

That's the way it comes across to me, & I'm not sure that's what you're trying
to say, is it? If so, it's not a great sales pitch for your religion, and would
justify this "Draw Mohammad" Day thing. That's not your intention I'm
assuming.
 

eanassir

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So eanassir, in layman's terms, in non-quoted & plain language, what are
you saying?

I've read what you posted, & the message is mixed & confusing. The woman
is afraid of someone she doesn't know, and thus she must not be a believer
in what you believe, so she should be terrorized until she agrees with you?

Huh?

That's the way it comes across to me, & I'm not sure that's what you're trying
to say, is it? If so, it's not a great sales pitch for your religion, and would
justify this "Draw Mohammad" Day thing. That's not your intention I'm
assuming.

You have not understood the idea; I shall explain it here:

The associater and the idolater is fearful without cause; God cast terror in their hearts according to their associating their idols or saints together with God.

This is the law of God in the past and at the present and in the future: the idolater and associater will be terrified (by God: God inserts terror in his heart); therefore read again what is mentioned in the Quran aya 3: 151 and in the Book of Leviticus chapter 26.

The angels in the battle against the idolaters and associaters

In all battles of believers against idolaters and associaters, the angels come down from heaven
and inspire to the disbelievers that they will lose and that God is with the believers who will defeat them;
on the other hand, the angels will inspire to the believers that God is with you, stand fast and firm, you will be victorious by God's might ...etc;
until the idolaters and associaters will flee and the believers will overcome them utterly.

As in the Quran 8: 12 about the battle of Badr:

إِذْ يُوحِي رَبُّكَ إِلَى الْمَلآئِكَةِ أَنِّي مَعَكُمْ فَثَبِّتُواْ الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ سَأُلْقِي فِي قُلُوبِ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ الرَّعْبَ فَاضْرِبُواْ فَوْقَ الأَعْنَاقِ وَاضْرِبُواْ مِنْهُمْ كُلَّ بَنَانٍ

The explanation:
([O Mohammed, remember] when your Lord inspired the angels [saying:] "I AM with you; so confirm the believers [by inspiring them to fight without fear]; I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers [that they will fear and run away]; then [O believers] smite [with your swords] on the necks [of the unbelievers] and smite every body-joint off them."

That [: their slaying and disgrace was] because they had contradicted God and His messenger; for whoso contradicts God and His messenger, then God is Severe at punishment.)

 
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Ron in Regina

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OK...so this is all just theoretical with a God terrorizing folks that don't
happen to believe in that God then, right? Just a God, and not real
people being encouraged to terrorize people who don't happen to
hold the same point of view on religion that you happen to, right?

You aren't advocating that anyone that doesn't believe in this God
should be terrorized by anyone who does believe in this God?

With the "then [O believers] smite [with your swords] on the necks
[of the unbelievers] and smite every body-joint off them" type of
stuff, it sounds like you're advocating and justifying terrorism based
on religion. You aren't really threatening that people convert to your
faith or they'll face this terrorism, I'm assuming.
 

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OK...so this is all just theoretical with a God terrorizing folks that don't
happen to believe in that God then, right? Just a God, and not real
people being encouraged to terrorize people who don't happen to
hold the same point of view on religion that you happen to, right?

You aren't advocating that anyone that doesn't believe in this God
should be terrorized by anyone who does believe in this God?

With the "then [O believers] smite [with your swords] on the necks
[of the unbelievers] and smite every body-joint off them" type of
stuff, it sounds like you're advocating and justifying terrorism based
on religion. You aren't really threatening that people convert to your
faith or they'll face this terrorism, I'm assuming.
That does appear to be exactly what he is saying, or what he thinks the Quran is saying. Smite with a sword is a pretty lethal action, I would assume. Perhaps whoever said "turn the Middle East to Glass" was onto something.
 

eanassir

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OK...so this is all just theoretical with a God terrorizing folks that don't
happen to believe in that God then, right? Just a God, and not real
people being encouraged to terrorize people who don't happen to
hold the same point of view on religion that you happen to, right?

You aren't advocating that anyone that doesn't believe in this God
should be terrorized by anyone who does believe in this God?

With the "then [O believers] smite [with your swords] on the necks
[of the unbelievers] and smite every body-joint off them" type of
stuff, it sounds like you're advocating and justifying terrorism based
on religion. You aren't really threatening that people convert to your
faith or they'll face this terrorism, I'm assuming.


What is "this God" ... "this God"? He is God Almighty Most Gracious - be glorified.

Moreover, what is said about smiting the necks of the disbelievers with the sword: this is in the battle with the disbelievers: the angels will say to the believers through inspiration:
"Be firm and steadfast: God is with you; so smite on the necks of the disbelievers and on their joints to cut them off."

About the angels that came down from heaven to help the believers (and they in fact came down from heaven to help the believers at every time: even with Saul and David when they fought the idolaters.)

This is about the battle of Badr: the first battle of believers against the idolaters of Mecca: it is in the Quran 3: 123-127

وَلَقَدْ نَصَرَكُمُ اللّهُ بِبَدْرٍ وَأَنتُمْ أَذِلَّةٌ فَاتَّقُواْ اللّهَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَشْكُرُونَ .
إِذْ تَقُولُ لِلْمُؤْمِنِينَ أَلَن يَكْفِيكُمْ أَن يُمِدَّكُمْ رَبُّكُم بِثَلاَثَةِ آلاَفٍ مِّنَ الْمَلآئِكَةِ مُنزَلِينَ .
بَلَى إِن تَصْبِرُواْ وَتَتَّقُواْ وَيَأْتُوكُم مِّن فَوْرِهِمْ هَـذَا يُمْدِدْكُمْ رَبُّكُم بِخَمْسَةِ آلافٍ مِّنَ الْمَلآئِكَةِ مُسَوِّمِينَ .
وَمَا جَعَلَهُ اللّهُ إِلاَّ بُشْرَى لَكُمْ وَلِتَطْمَئِنَّ قُلُوبُكُم بِهِ وَمَا النَّصْرُ إِلاَّ مِنْ عِندِ اللّهِ الْعَزِيزِ الْحَكِيمِ .
لِيَقْطَعَ طَرَفًا مِّنَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ أَوْ يَكْبِتَهُمْ فَيَنقَلِبُواْ خَآئِبِينَ .

The explanation:
(God has already given you [believers] victory at Badr [midway between Mecca and Medina], when you were 'helpless and little in number'.

So ward off [the punishment of] God [and do not disobey His messenger], so that you may be thankful [to God, of His favors.]

When you [Mohammed] said to the believers [at Badr]: "Will it be sufficient for you, that your Lord should aid you with three thousand angels, sent down [from heaven]?"

Yes indeed, if you persevere, and ward off [the disobedience of God and His messenger], and the [disbelievers] immediately come upon you; your Lord will aid you with five thousand angels, making brands [on the faces of the disbelievers.]

God only has made it a glad tidings to you, and an assurance to your hearts; for surely, victory comes only from God, the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.

That He may annihilate a party of the disbelievers, or suppress them, so that they retire, frustrated.)


Perhaps whoever said "turn the Middle East to Glass" was onto something.


The situation in the Middle East has now been reversed upside down, and it will later be reversed.
 
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(But when there came, to them [: the pagan Arabs, Mohammed,] the [messenger of the] truth from Us,

they said: "Why is [Mohammed] not given [miracles] like those given to Moses before?"

Did they not disbelieve in that which was given to Moses aforetime?

They say: "[The Book of Moses and the Quran are] two magics that have prevailed"; and they say: "Surely in both we are unbelievers.")

The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran 28: 48
فَلَمَّا جَاءهُمُ الْحَقُّ مِنْ عِندِنَا قَالُوا لَوْلَا أُوتِيَ مِثْلَ مَا أُوتِيَ مُوسَى أَوَلَمْ يَكْفُرُوا بِمَا أُوتِيَ مُوسَى مِن قَبْلُ قَالُوا سِحْرَانِ تَظَاهَرَا وَقَالُوا إِنَّا بِكُلٍّ كَافِرُونَ
 

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Do the Muslim angels wear Burkhas when they descend from the heavens?


When you read carefully my replies in addition when you read our link:
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Then you will know that angels are men, not women.

As in the Quran God - be exalted - said in the Quran 43: 19

وجَعَلُوا المَلائكَةَ الّذِينَ هُمْ عِبادُ الرّحْمانِ إناثاً ، أشَهِدُوا خَلْقَهُمْ ؟ سَتُكْتَبُ شَهادَتُهُمْ ويُسْألُونَ

The explanation:

(And they claimed that the angels, who [actually] are [male] servants of [God], the 'Most Gracious' – were females[7]. Had they witnessed their creation. Surely, their testimony will be recorded, and they will be asked.)



The interpretation:

>> (who [actually] are [male] servants of [God], the 'Most Gracious') means: They were human beings like them, then they became angels, and that was because of their piety and righteousness.
 

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What is "this God" ... "this God"? He is God Almighty Most Gracious - be glorified.

Moreover, what is said about smiting the necks of the disbelievers with the sword: this is in the battle with the disbelievers: the angels will say to the believers through inspiration:
"Be firm and steadfast: God is with you; so smite on the necks of the disbelievers and on their joints to cut them off."

About the angels that came down from heaven to help the believers (and they in fact came down from heaven to help the believers at every time: even with Saul and David when they fought the idolaters.)

This is about the battle of Badr: the first battle of believers against the idolaters of Mecca: it is in the Quran 3: 123-127

وَلَقَدْ نَصَرَكُمُ اللّهُ بِبَدْرٍ وَأَنتُمْ أَذِلَّةٌ فَاتَّقُواْ اللّهَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَشْكُرُونَ .
إِذْ تَقُولُ لِلْمُؤْمِنِينَ أَلَن يَكْفِيكُمْ أَن يُمِدَّكُمْ رَبُّكُم بِثَلاَثَةِ آلاَفٍ مِّنَ الْمَلآئِكَةِ مُنزَلِينَ .
بَلَى إِن تَصْبِرُواْ وَتَتَّقُواْ وَيَأْتُوكُم مِّن فَوْرِهِمْ هَـذَا يُمْدِدْكُمْ رَبُّكُم بِخَمْسَةِ آلافٍ مِّنَ الْمَلآئِكَةِ مُسَوِّمِينَ .
وَمَا جَعَلَهُ اللّهُ إِلاَّ بُشْرَى لَكُمْ وَلِتَطْمَئِنَّ قُلُوبُكُم بِهِ وَمَا النَّصْرُ إِلاَّ مِنْ عِندِ اللّهِ الْعَزِيزِ الْحَكِيمِ .
لِيَقْطَعَ طَرَفًا مِّنَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ أَوْ يَكْبِتَهُمْ فَيَنقَلِبُواْ خَآئِبِينَ .

The explanation:
(God has already given you [believers] victory at Badr [midway between Mecca and Medina], when you were 'helpless and little in number'.

So ward off [the punishment of] God [and do not disobey His messenger], so that you may be thankful [to God, of His favors.]

When you [Mohammed] said to the believers [at Badr]: "Will it be sufficient for you, that your Lord should aid you with three thousand angels, sent down [from heaven]?"

Yes indeed, if you persevere, and ward off [the disobedience of God and His messenger], and the [disbelievers] immediately come upon you; your Lord will aid you with five thousand angels, making brands [on the faces of the disbelievers.]

God only has made it a glad tidings to you, and an assurance to your hearts; for surely, victory comes only from God, the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.

That He may annihilate a party of the disbelievers, or suppress them, so that they retire, frustrated.)





The situation in the Middle East has now been reversed upside down, and it will later be reversed.


OK....in YOUR words, without all the Biblical quotes or Quran quotes, etc...

Are you advocating terrorism against those that do not follow your belief system?

This is a very straight forward question. It doesn't require any Arabic writing or
convoluted scripture. A simple Yes or No will work just fine.
 

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"There Is No More Molly." Or Luz.

by Mark Steyn
Five Years Ago
May 20, 2015



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Five years ago, a cartoonist with The Seattle Weekly, shocked by the way Comedy Central had censored "South Park" after the usual threats from violent Muslims, proclaimed May 20th as "Everybody Draw Mohammed" Day. What was novel about this particular promotion was that the cartoonist, Molly Norris, was not a "right-wing" "Islamophobe" but a liberal progressive, and therefore a rare if not all but unique example of a feminist leftie recognizing that the Islamic enforcers were a threat to her way of life. This was a very welcome development.
Unfortunately, Miss Norris was not so much recognizing reality as blissfully unaware of it. When the backlash against her idea began, she disassociated herself from it and signed off with - Lord help us - a peace symbol. We had some correspondence on the matter, and I write about her in The [Un]documented Mark Steyn (personally autographed copies of which are exclusively available and help to prop up my own free-speech campaign against the climate mullahs) in a chapter entitled "There Is No More Molly":
Now The Seattle Weekly informs us:
'You may have noticed that Molly Norris' comic is not in the paper this week. That's because there is no more Molly.'
On the advice of the FBI, she's been forced to go into hiding. If you want to measure the decline in western civilization's sense of self-preservation, go back to Valentine's Day 1989, get out the Fleet Street reports on the Salman Rushdie fatwa, and read the outrage of his fellow London literati at what was being done to one of the mainstays of the Hampstead dinner-party circuit. Then compare it with the feeble passivity of Molly Norris' own colleagues at an American cartoonist being forced to abandon her life: "There is no more Molly"? That's all the gutless pussies of The Seattle Weekly can say? As James Taranto notes in The Wall Street Journal, even much sought-after Ramadan-banquet constitutional scholar Barack Obama is remarkably silent:
'Now Molly Norris, an American citizen, is forced into hiding because she exercised her right to free speech. Will President Obama say a word on her behalf? Does he believe in the First Amendment for anyone other than Muslims..?'
No one should lose his name, his home, his life, his liberty because ideological thugs are too insecure to take a joke. But Molly Norris is merely the latest squishy liberal to learn that, when the chips are down, your fellow lefties won't be there for you.
And as I added:
Four years later, there was not much left of "Everybody Draw Mohammed" Day, but there was even less left of Molly Norris. As the website Blogwrath put it:
'Because of the Muslim death threats, Molly Norris, who started the event, had to go into hiding and change her name. She disappeared completely and nobody knows whether she is dead or alive.'
Today on this fifth anniversary there is still no more Molly - and now there is no more Luz:
Renald Luzier was running late on the January day when two gunmen burst into the satirical magazine's offices and killed the other five cartoonists who worked for Charlie Hebdo.
Luzier then drew the French satirical magazine's first front cover image after the deadly Islamist terror attack, showing the Prophet Mohammed weeping and saying "All is forgiven."
The cartoon prophet held a sign saying "Je suis Charlie," the slogan of those who stood up for the magazine after the killings.
Luzier, who draws under the pen name Luz, said in an interview with French newspaper Liberation that continuing to work at Charlie Hebdo had become "too much to bear."
"There was hardly anyone left to draw," he said in the interview published on the newspaper's website late Monday. "I found myself doing three front pages out of four..."
Luzier, 43, told Liberation that the decision to leave was "very personal" and that he wanted "to rebuild myself, to regain control of my life."
"Finishing each edition is torture because the others are gone. Spending sleepless nights summoning the dead, wondering what Charb, Cabu, Honore, (and) Tignous would have done is exhausting," he said, referring to some of his murdered colleagues.
Luz was the cartoonist who gave Mohammed his visual style. It was Luz that the Berliner Kurier artist was mimicking in their front-page response to the massacre at top right. Under the headline "NO! You cannot murder our freedom", there was, for once, a cartoon that lives up to it: the Prophet gleefully bathing in blood.
But, one by one, our freedom does get murdered. I don't begrudge Luz his wish to "regain control of my life". To be the lone survivor because you were running late is a blessing but also a curse and a burden. So there is no more Molly, and no more Luz, and no more Lars - not since the post-Charlie attack on Lars Vilks' free-speech event in Copenhagen forced into hiding a splendidly brave artist who had borne the weight of his courage alone for too many years.
Until the 21st-century Islamization of the west got underway, there was a modest but long established tradition in western art of depicting Mohammed. He is shown in Dante's Inferno - in hell, with his entrails hanging out. And any number of artists from Giovanni da Modena to Salvador Dali have offered their own renderings of the scene. He appears carrying a sword and the Koran with Moses, Confucius, Hammurabi and other law-givers in Adolph Weinman's frieze at the US Supreme Court, although since the Council on American-Islamic Relations complained about it the Court's official position is that, yes, that's Moses and Confucius and the rest of the gang up there but this is just some bloke who "bears no resemblance to Mohammed".
One day that excuse will no longer suffice, and the frieze will be hacked apart. Already representations of Mohammed in western art galleries are being carted off to the basement. In the near future, if your local library still carries an edition of Dante's Divine Comedy, it won't be with William Blake's or Gustav Doré's illustrations of Mohammed in the torments of hell.
In Dante's day (circa 1315) and Weinman's day (1935), Muslims who disliked depictions of Mohammed did not generally slaughter artists, writers and publishers. That changed with the Danish cartoons. Once they started killing people for drawing Mohammed it became necessary for everyone to draw Mohammed - to show that there are too many to kill, and thus to teach Islam that, whatever its own proscriptions, they do not and will never apply to non-believers. Once you make drawing Mohammed a capital crime, it is necessary to make drawing Mohammed so universal that it's no crime at all. If you claim the right to kill because you're offended, then it is necessary to offend you all the time - until you accept the messy norms of pluralistic societies.
To be sure, in the scheme of things, it's no big deal not to be able to depict Mohammed - except that small losses lead to other small losses and eventually to greater losses. So certain types of great art become problematic for museums - and then certain types of museum become problematic.
So I was heartened to see in my own country this event scheduled for today in Ottawa:
Come and join us in drawing Muhammed, the Pope's Mother, Buddha with headphones and or any other religious/political figure!
Let's exercise our freedom to blaspheme — while we still can!!!
We will meet by the East entrance of The Hill Where the October 22nd shooter entered The Hill) at 1 pm and walk to the North-East corner of the lawn, so we are very close to the route the shooter took. There, I will set up the table (and tent, if it rains) and we can get down to some blasphemous art!
Please, spread the word as far and wide as you can.
Alexandra
Can you guess what happened next, boys and girls?
After having been given (last week) the go ahead with the Draw Muhammed Day on Parliament Hill for tomorrow, 20th of May, by the RCMP security people, I have just received a phone call (at 5:25 pm) from Canadian Heritage cancelling the event due to 'security concerns'.
And to reprise Laura Rosen Cohen's line "security concerns" are the new shut-up. As a commenter at Vlad Tepes' blog writes:
This is exactly the modus operandi employed by France's government – to kill off any initiative by our friends at Riposte Laique – they give the permission for a demonstration, assembly etc. and then, when everything is organised, like 5 minutes before the event is supposed to start, they cancel it for "security reasons".
So don't worry, you still have freedom of speech - until five minutes before you're scheduled to exercise it.
Meanwhile, on June 14th, the New York Theatre Workship is presenting a benefit for the National Coalition Against Censorship, under the title Playwrights For A Cause, an evening of three one-act plays. It would have been four one-act plays, but Neil LaBute's work, Mohammed Gets A Boner, will not now be staged because of its "clear offense to Muslims".
No word yet on whether the evening's title will be changed to Playwrights For A Cause, Up To A Point, a benefit for the National Coalition For Self-Censorship.
I think a lot about my poor clueless leftie chum Molly Norris. Where is she? And what did she do to deserve having her life erased? And why do none of her liberal friends ever mention her? There can be no pictures of Mohammed, and so there can be no pictures of Molly, nor Lars, nor Luz, nor of freeborn Canadians at Parliament Hill. Mohammed has his India rubber out, and is erasing us all.

"There Is No More Molly." Or Luz. :: SteynOnline