Enough farting around on Iran & Nukes

Iran should have Nuke Weapons

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Colpy

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Cliffy said:
You can get shot or mugged in any major city in North America. There are many who want to overthrow the government because it is corrupted beyond repair. These are dissidents who would be tried and executed in the US for treason. Can you tell me what the difference is?
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Ahhhh....excuse me? Perhaps you could enlighten me on the last Americans tried and executed for treason........The Rosenburgs? Spies, who gave nuclear technology to the Soviets??????

As far as I know, Jane Fonda has yet to be arrested, interrogated, beaten, tortured, and hanged in secret.

And therein lies the difference. And it is huge, vast, incredible in scope.

Why can't you see it?????

I really wish you would seek some connection with reality, and stop presenting ludicrous statements as fact.
 
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MHz said:
See what happens if a foreign Nation (say Cuba) is funding or making promises to Americans to make the political climate unstable. That is their whole intend in Iran, make demonstrations violent, the US doesn't care squat about Iranian human-rights, that latest proposed sanctions harm the very ones they are claiming are already under undue hardships. They backed the most brutal dictator of the last 100 years and the grudgingly let him be taken fro power by the people of Iran.
It's one thing to have more than one political party battling each other without outside influences. When people from a different Nationality try to influence that they are making traitors out of anybody that accepts their 'assistance'. Those 'assistance's' encourage violence against the Gov in power. If caught the citizen is labeled a traitor to his country and punished, if a foreigner is caught instigating violence against the gov, like the guy in the pic, then that is conspiracy to commit treason and the penalty is most likely death.
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MHZ
I see you have emerged from Slither Mode and it not even warm out -

Cuba - What happened to the spies that the US caught - were they executed - No -

So if reality came in doses you should take a few.

Am I and other to understand that all the demonstrators are paid by the CIA - Waiting for an answer

You opinion on the Theological Nutbar Cleric who stated the following:

Ahmad Alamolhoda, a hardline cleric, told the Tehran rally that the opposition leaders — “chiefs of sedition” — should repent or be charged as mohareb, enemies of God, for which the Sharia punishment is death.

Were the thousands that were executed in 88 - all guilty - even the children - Answer that please

The Govts use of Rape - Male and female - and torture - Do toy agree with that - Answer please

The targeted killings of members of the opposition - You agree with that

You should educate yourself on the opposition and where and what positions of power they had under Khomeini - Their credentials as Patriots is not in question - except to you - or are you even aware of what power they wielded prior to the Head Theological Thug gaining power? Answer please
 
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View attachment 1250Just how do you do that without it being called interferring in the political process in a foreign country. Why not make the agents already over there wear stars and striped themed jackets, if they are doing thing above-board why are they there trying to be unnoticed.


Perhaps you should quit lying about what is going on over there, how many fires would get started or police hurt in Canada before deadly action is taken.
Please back up your statement about how much better off they were under the American Shah, it is another lie of course so no proof will be coming, will it liar.
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Class And Labor in Iran: Did the Revolution Matter? (Modern Intellectual and Political History of the Middle East) (Paperback)

~ Farhad Numani (Author), Sohrab Behdad (Author)


Social Class - The Iranian revolution drove out the educated. Middles class almost gone. Rich & Poor still there.

condensed version for you.
http://countrystudies.us/iran/48.htm
 
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Goober, war is not an answer - just more suffering, more hate, less possiblity of reconcilliation.
 
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Being realistic, war is not the answer, I totally agree. But how do we help people who would like to change their goverment when their goverment jails or kills them when they try a peaceful change.

 
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Killing them because they have a faulty government is sheer madness! You know, as well as I , Canada and the US have undergone tremendous change for the better in the last century without foreign interference. Men are men around the world, they resist change when confronted by foreign pressure.
 
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Spade said:
Killing them because they have a faulty government is sheer madness! You know, as well as I , Canada and the US have undergone tremendous change for the better in the last century without foreign interference. Men are men around the world, they resist change when confronted by foreign pressure.
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Brother SpadeI have not argued for regime change from outside of Iran - What I have stated is that the Thugs running the country are just that - murderous thugs - who will do anything to remain in power - Wait for the next massive demonstartion as they will come on the 40th day of the murder of the last 8 protesters - The question I have asked are:Will the West and that includes Europe tolerate and Irnain Govt with nuke weapons - NoWould it cause an arms race, nukes, in the Mid East - YesHas Iran been upfront with the UN about their programs - NoSo I see that if Iran continues down the path towards a nuke weapons capability - War will come
 
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Killing them because they have a faulty government is sheer madness! You know, as well as I , Canada and the US have undergone tremendous change for the better in the last century without foreign interference. Men are men around the world, they resist change when confronted by foreign pressure.





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Brother Spade
I have not argued for regime change from outside of Iran - What I have stated is that the Thugs running the country are just that - murderous thugs - who will do anything to remain in power -

Wait for the next massive demonstartion as they will come on the 40th day of the murder of the last 8 protesters -

The question I have asked are:
Will the West and that includes Europe tolerate and Iranian Govt with nuke weapons - No

Would it cause an arms race, nukes, in the Mid East - Yes

Has Iran been upfront with the UN about their programs - No

So I see that if Iran continues down the path towards a nuke weapons capability -

War will come
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"Were the thousands that were executed in 88 - all guilty - even the children - Answer that please"
You never provided anything to support that charge. How many of the ones killed had treason charges against them?

"The Govts use of Rape - Male and female - and torture - Do toy agree with that - Answer please "
I agree that those methods were used from at least 1953, most often it was those things and then death. I can see why the CIA was involved but why the Mossad, were they having a slow day back home.

"The targeted killings of members of the opposition - You agree with that"
Apparently the not so fine print in a political demonstration permit holds the organizers responsible for the conduct of those that attend. It is there responsibility to make sure the police do not become involved. When it is a demonstration that does not have permits it can be viewed as a riot no matter how calm things might be at the early stages. The military responds to those situations. Isn't the lack of permits the reason there are no demonstrations in the US. These days they give them a cage to protest from. lol

ironsides said:
Again your right, do we just supply them with the means to defend themslves and step back
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The US supplied intel and parts to both Iran/Iraq, that was in the quest that they cause each other as much damage as possible. Try not to whitewash all the chemical weapons some NATO countries shipped to Iraq, possibly a war-crime for all involved.
 
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MHZApparently the not so fine print in a political demonstration permit holds the organizers responsible for the conduct of those that attend. It is there responsibility to make sure the police do not become involved. When it is a demonstration that does not have permits it can be viewed as a riot no matter how calm things might be at the early stages. The military responds to those situations. Isn't the lack of permits the reason there are no demonstrations in the US. These days they give them a cage to protest from. lol



Yesirre - Watlz right into a police of Govt offical and ask for a permit - In Iran - Dumb does not describe you - stupid does not make the grade either - Troll - yes - living in some freakin fantasy world - That fits - If you had been working for me or any one else in the Army you would be in for an physc evaluation - Have you ever noticed in all your reading about religion that no one cured the dumb - No hope there for you either.
 
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