ENGLISH CREATED AND PRESERVES AMERICA
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jjw1965 said:
This is such a good article,thanks. I agree. When I encounter a person on a customer service line who is speaking bad English, I ask to speak to another person and tell them - right out - I can't understand you. Why in the feck would they put someone who cannot speak English on a Customer Service phone line? :roll:
Been There
For the same reason that people who cannot write English are everywhere...writing for magazines, teaching school, writing ads, writing reports......nobody actually cares.
Does spelling count?
Does spelling count?
beentheredonethat said:
sounds a tad snotty ....... :roll: Many people cannot speak excellent English due to being bi/tri lingual or English being their second language. Have a little humanitarian courtesy for them...as if they know two languages , they are better /smarter than a lot of people ......particularly the superficial , transparent SNOBS
This is incredibly racist. New Mexico, Texas, California- large territories that were taken from Mexico in the Mexican-American war- are all heavily populated by people for whom Spanish is their mother tongue. I suppose they have no legal rights to speak their own language because they were conquered by the United States? Certainly the author of this article seems to support the idea that these people have no rights to their language and that outlawing its study is acceptable.
The reality is that the U.S. has no national language, no national gov't policy on language, no official language. French is spoken in Louisiana, Spanish is spoken heavily in all the former Mexican territories, and English is the dominant (but by no means exclusive) language of the nation.
Though of course there is a problem with illegal immigration, how is language instruction going to change that? Regardless of whether Spanish is taught in schools or not, Mexicans are going to illegally immigrate because they're poor and there are better opportunities in the U.S. If they want to address the situation, they should be doing something to make the border less porous (and since the author does not do that, you can't help but wonder if he has an axe to grind against all that diversity and here's his opportunity to wield it). Unfortunately, all those illiterate and untrained Mexicans are actually doing jobs that Americans themselves often do not want to do (maids, cleaners/janitors, factory work, etc) and there are many people in the U.S. who are benefitting from the situation and are their unspoken supporters. Since the immigrants themselves do not speak English, there is a certain guarantee that they will only progress so far in life leaving more cushy jobs to those who do speak the language, and this arrangement is actually working very tidily for many Americans which is the real reason it continues undisturbed.
Ocean Breeze said:
True. However, they should have focused on mastering the English language instead of trying to party learn two languages. Being fluent in English will get you further ahead than partly knowing English and some other language. You cannot give a speech in public or preside at a meeting of the board if you cannot converse fluently in English. It is the international language of business.
RE: ENGLISH CREATED AND P
Or at least the international language of neo-con lies.
BTW, Nascar Nero....
What are ya, some fuzzy little foreigner? C'mon, drop the feckin' Oklahoma accent so those of us who actually speak English can understand you.
Bad place for a typo, m'man. ;-)
Or at least the international language of neo-con lies.
BTW, Nascar Nero....
What are ya, some fuzzy little foreigner? C'mon, drop the feckin' Oklahoma accent so those of us who actually speak English can understand you.
Bad place for a typo, m'man. ;-)
Nascar_James said:
I beg to differ...greed is the international language of business...and blood of the po' folk is the currency... :?
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Well, although I did mispell partly, the word party in itself is a word in the English dictionary, so I'm off the hook.
Reverend Blair said:
Well, although I did mispell partly, the word party in itself is a word in the English dictionary, so I'm off the hook.
Vanni Fucci said:
po'folk? By that expression Vanni, seems to me you've either spent a great deal of time in the deep south or that is the worst spelling or "poor" ever.
Ocean Breeze said:
It is not snotty, and I am not rude. If I am trying to have a technical conversation with someone who only speaks 1/2 English, I can't understand them. I am entitled to the customer service which I purchased as part of a contract. The other half of the time, they do not understand me.
My point is: They have the wrong job. Customer service absolutely requires that the person on the other end of the line speaks and understands good English. I will not go to a foreign doctor who doesn't speak good English either. I go to an Indian Dr. who is Buddist - but he speaks perfect English. My health is too important to risk on some foreign dr. who can't understand me.
Been There
Why is it that everyone can take punches at me, but when I deal one out - you can't take it. A little lop-sided, I'd say.
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So many other countries seem to function with more than one language, official or otherwise.
I know in BC so many business's and governments agencies function in more than just English and french.
wtf. Talking about invasions in N.J.? What a fine piece of work. That whole article reeked of hate towards miniorities, especially towards the hispanic community.
Frosty Wooldridge and Nancy Hamilton are nothing more than racist neocon bigoted pigs. oink oink.
They (and others like them)are the reason for whats wrong with America.
So many other countries seem to function with more than one language, official or otherwise.
I know in BC so many business's and governments agencies function in more than just English and french.
wtf. Talking about invasions in N.J.? What a fine piece of work. That whole article reeked of hate towards miniorities, especially towards the hispanic community.
Frosty Wooldridge and Nancy Hamilton are nothing more than racist neocon bigoted pigs. oink oink.
They (and others like them)are the reason for whats wrong with America.
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We don't want America to become another Quebec, with two languages constantly fighting over each other. Here, English is the only language. New immigrants must learn and pass an English test to become citizens.
There are large numbers of hispanics here in the US, particularly in the southern states. However, when they become citizens, they have a knowledge of English. Bottom line is English speaking citizens of the US should not be penalized if they do no speak Spanish. Folks here can easily work for the Federal government knowing only English. I cannot say the same thing in Canada. Many jobs there now require bilingualism. Too bad.
no1important said:
We don't want America to become another Quebec, with two languages constantly fighting over each other. Here, English is the only language. New immigrants must learn and pass an English test to become citizens.
There are large numbers of hispanics here in the US, particularly in the southern states. However, when they become citizens, they have a knowledge of English. Bottom line is English speaking citizens of the US should not be penalized if they do no speak Spanish. Folks here can easily work for the Federal government knowing only English. I cannot say the same thing in Canada. Many jobs there now require bilingualism. Too bad.
Le Français est une langue légale en Louisiane, les professeurs à l'école il y a cinquante ans a essayé de nous forcer à apprendre l'anglais par l'agenouillement vers le bas en riz. Ceci a augmenté notre amour pour l'anglais.
French is a legal language in Louisiana, the teachers in school fifty years ago did try to force us to learn English by kneeling down in rice. This increased our love for English.
If caught speaking French, you kneel in rice, Thank God for CIVIL RIGHTS, the barbarism stopped COLD!
Nous fierons a parler Français!
French is a legal language in Louisiana, the teachers in school fifty years ago did try to force us to learn English by kneeling down in rice. This increased our love for English.
If caught speaking French, you kneel in rice, Thank God for CIVIL RIGHTS, the barbarism stopped COLD!
Nous fierons a parler Français!
peapod said:
They want us to walk the walk and TALK THE TALK!
You're right, how bland, I am vowing to spend some of NEXT SUMMER in Canada.
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You're ignoring the fact, as I already pointed out, that there are two large language groups in the U.S., born and raised there (in fact, existing in their areas before any English speaking Americans) for whom English is not a mother tongue. The type of law suggested in the article would not be enforcing an already existing status quo, it would be inventing a new status quo, and would wipe out already existing languages and cultures that are just as indigenous to their areas as English is to yours. Your country has been functioning this way for some time already, and the only separatist movement I'm aware of in the United States is the one in Hawaii among the natives, meaning that those speaking French in Louisiana, and those speaking Spanish in the former Mexican territories have been doing so for a long time now without causing any trouble. The idea that everyone who speaks Spanish as a mother tongue is a foreigner is just wrong.
And how are English speaking citizens being penalized because they don't speak Spanish? Because they learn it in schools?! What kind of logic is that? Learning another language, Spanish or otherwise, is only beneficial to a person's understanding of his own culture and that of others. Never before have I heard of learning being disparaged as penalisation, and I think that says something about misplaced values.
Nascar_James said:
You're ignoring the fact, as I already pointed out, that there are two large language groups in the U.S., born and raised there (in fact, existing in their areas before any English speaking Americans) for whom English is not a mother tongue. The type of law suggested in the article would not be enforcing an already existing status quo, it would be inventing a new status quo, and would wipe out already existing languages and cultures that are just as indigenous to their areas as English is to yours. Your country has been functioning this way for some time already, and the only separatist movement I'm aware of in the United States is the one in Hawaii among the natives, meaning that those speaking French in Louisiana, and those speaking Spanish in the former Mexican territories have been doing so for a long time now without causing any trouble. The idea that everyone who speaks Spanish as a mother tongue is a foreigner is just wrong.
And how are English speaking citizens being penalized because they don't speak Spanish? Because they learn it in schools?! What kind of logic is that? Learning another language, Spanish or otherwise, is only beneficial to a person's understanding of his own culture and that of others. Never before have I heard of learning being disparaged as penalisation, and I think that says something about misplaced values.