England, NOT the mother country

[Curiosity]

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it's performed every year here wednesday's child

Daz

I wish it was carried on television every year - it is as moving to me as the Missing Man flyover when a funeral is conducted for
a pilot or some military dignitary. Both ceremonies stir my heart.

On what occasion do they perform it in the U.K.? I figured they must do it regularly - it is so perfect.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

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usually the edinbrough parade, changing of the colours (yearly) and a couple of others, one thing we've got is pomp and ceremony.

But I will effectivly sum up my opinion of this topic:

it's non-starter, the french, the americans nd most canadians will agree with me, Britain is the mothercountry of canada, whatever they think if Britain they respect history and understand the major role played by Britain.


on a lighter note, I'd like people to pay their respects to Southampton Football Club and the fact they are the Mothertown of Brazillian football

 

[Curiosity]

Daz

Am jealous you get to see that event annually!!! Tradition in the U.S. is hardly old enough to be "called" tradition.

Had to sneak that Football promo in did ya hahaha....

I don't care who argues with me - England - Britain - the U.K. has always been the seat of democracy, the rights of man, humanitarian issues .... all that good government aspires to.

From the British example we have expanded to other nations to follow in similar patterns having them to look up to as they continue to flourish and encourage others.

 

[Said1]

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But Britain is Canada's Mother Country. Britain "gave birth" to Canada.

You should be thankful that the British Empire created Canada. If we decided to stay at home and not colonise the world, there'd be NO Canada today.

That's right, it's not like Canada is the second largest land mass on the planet. I'm sure ships would have sailed right by Canada and not even notice. :roll:

*sings the battle of New Orleans*

"Well, they ran through the briars and they ran through the brambles
And they ran through the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go.
They ran so fast the hounds couldn't catch 'em
down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.

We fired our guns and the British kept a'comin.
But there wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago.
We fired once more and they began to runnin'
down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico."

Ha! I kill me. No offense BL.

 

[Curiosity]

Well gosh darn....

I thought the Brits showed up because the Vikings got snowed in at Iceland!

Just think we'd all be speaking Norse!

 

[I think not]

BL doesn't take offense, he's an equal opportunity "poker", he said so himself.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

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I hope being a "poker" in the states doesnt mean the same as in the UK?.....cus youve just called BF a rapist in the UK lol.

he's a "equal opprtunities p!sstaker"

 

[I think not]

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I hope being a "poker" in the states doesnt mean the same as in the UK?.....cus youve just called BF a rapist in the UK lol.

he's a "equal opprtunities p!sstaker"

Ooops. :lol: No, it means he "pokes fun" at everyone. Meaning in his belief the English are the best thing that has happened to humanity is that last several thousand years, he gets to piss on everybody else.

Poker = pokes fun, NOT a rapist.

 

[jimmoyer]

England is certainly a MOTHER.

Nice Mother.

Yeah.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

The crown and the GG are supposed to be above politics, away from the fray. Quaint. The GG is essentially an amateur. And then the Gov-Gen has reserve emergency powers that he or she might use one day seems dangerous. A person who is designed not to be involved in politics will have difficulty making the right decision during a crisis.

Reminds me of the story The Prince and the Pauper, you can switch them and no one notices. Maybe the monarchy has illusions that still work somehow.

To say Britain is the "mother" country of Canada seem like obsolete sentimental words that have little application to everyday life. They are not very realpolitick. But Cdns for purposes of teaching ESL, are "native English speakers," as if we are born in England like the English. People who are called "native" in Canada are aboriginals, you know, Indians, the Cree and the Iroquois.

 

[FiveParadox]

But dumpthemonarchy, given our parliamentary system, I think that it's quite wise to have an apolitical figure making such decisions (if, and only if, the need were ever to arise). For example, if a Prime Minister lost on a budget vote, but decided that instead of resigning or going into an election, he was just going to continue on in government, there has to be someone he can say "Wait, you can't do that — get the Hell out!"

 

[Finder]

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Finder, noone is denying that Britain settled here. I think people are responding to Blackleafs idea that we should grovel and thank Britain. History is history, and today, I dont think Britain should be considered the "mother nation", or France. We are a very multicultural society and we owe our makeup to all the wonderful traditions brought here from many countries. As for America, well Spanish did far more early exploring there than the British, the British settled only after Spain had sussed out the place for them. Oh, and of course we shouldnt forget Britains greatest achievement- Raleigh's Roanoke!



PS Glad someone mentioned the Native Indians---I wonder if they consider Britain to be the "mother" country.

But Britain is Canada's Mother Country. Britain "gave birth" to Canada.

You should be thankful that the British Empire created Canada. If we decided to stay at home and not colonise the world, there'd be NO Canada today.

No their would be New France today. Man you should have lived 150-300 years ago BLackleaf.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Usually, the GG does what the gov't of the day says. I might agree Fiveparadox, perhaps if the GG gets interested enough to want to say "hell" regarding politics the public might be really engaged and want to find out what the politicians are actually doing. The GG is supposed to be a brake from worse things happening. But being so detached seems like a problem.

The GG hasn't done much for decades, but we are supposed to be on internet time, things can happen very fast. China seemed nowhere five years ago, the price of gas has gone up 20 cents a litre in about four months. Former GGs seemed British or doddering, while the current one is nice. Maybe too nice.

 

[FiveParadox]

For some reason — now this is speculative, and no way based in fact, just to be quite clear — but Her Excellency the Right Honourable Michaëlle Jean, C.C., C.M.M., C.O.M., C.D., seems like an incredibly kind person — but she has this underlying tone to her that makes me think she could turn total bitch if someone tried to start messing with Parliament.

 

[fuzzylogix]

Could we ask her to use her Queen given talents to dissolve parliament right now, please.... it might make me interested in the Governor General's office!

 

[Jay]

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Finder, noone is denying that Britain settled here. I think people are responding to Blackleafs idea that we should grovel and thank Britain. History is history, and today, I dont think Britain should be considered the "mother nation", or France. We are a very multicultural society and we owe our makeup to all the wonderful traditions brought here from many countries. As for America, well Spanish did far more early exploring there than the British, the British settled only after Spain had sussed out the place for them. Oh, and of course we shouldnt forget Britains greatest achievement- Raleigh's Roanoke!



PS Glad someone mentioned the Native Indians---I wonder if they consider Britain to be the "mother" country.

But Britain is Canada's Mother Country. Britain "gave birth" to Canada.

You should be thankful that the British Empire created Canada. If we decided to stay at home and not colonise the world, there'd be NO Canada today.

No their would be New France today. Man you should have lived 150-300 years ago BLackleaf.

No doubt!

 

[Blackleaf]

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Nope, you can take back your Royals. I think it ridiculous that certain of our governmental papers have to go to the Queen for rubber stamping.

You can get rid of the Royals yourselves if you want to. I don't see why the British should do it for you.

Also let your Royals pay for their own visits to us.

They are your Royals as much as they are ours.

 

[Blackleaf]

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PS Glad someone mentioned the Native Indians---I wonder if they consider Britain to be the "mother" country.

If the Native Indians live in Canada, and Britain is Canada's Mother Country, then simple logic would say that they would also think of Britain as Canada's Mother Country, unless they haven't studied history in school.

 

[Blackleaf]

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Not all of them. We founded plantations where no other Europeans had been before.

An Englishman called Penn founded Pennsylvania.

And if anyone did the tsealing of land, it was the Americans themselves. I'm still waiting for America to give Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California back to Mexico.

Senior Blackleaf, the Mexican Ambassador to the US.

Now you know how we feel when Yankee Doodle Dandies tell the British to give Northern Ireland "back" to the Republic of Ireland.

I think you've been oppressing these Texans, Californians, etc for too long now and you need to give them back to Mexico where they belong.

I'm all for a United Mexico.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

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personally this is my view....(sorry I promised I wouldnt but what the heck), canada effectively is what is left of the loyalist element from north america (as dumpthmonarcy stated) and they certainly considered Britain their "mothercountry" so effectively, the evidence given to prove britain IS NOT the mother country of Canada effectivly PROVES IT IS.