England, NOT the mother country

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Blackleaf said:
Not all of them. We founded plantations where no other Europeans had been before.

An Englishman called Penn founded Pennsylvania.

And if anyone did the tsealing of land, it was the Americans themselves. I'm still waiting for America to give Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California back to Mexico.

Senior Blackleaf, the Mexican Ambassador to the US.
 

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Blackleaf said:
Not all of them. We founded plantations where no other Europeans had been before.

An Englishman called Penn founded Pennsylvania.

And if anyone did the tsealing of land, it was the Americans themselves. I'm still waiting for America to give Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California back to Mexico.

Senior Blackleaf, the Mexican Ambassador to the US.

The part about plantations reminds me of the frenchmen in "Apocolypes Now", ranting about his rubber plants "they would be noting witout us." :D

No offense, BL. :lol:
 

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I think not said:
Your Head of State is the Queen of England.

Nitpick: It's not really correct to call her the Queen of England. She's the Queen of England in much the same sense that George Dubya is President of Texas. She's Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain, which consists of England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland, and Queen of Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and a host of other places. I'm sure there's a web site somewhere that lists them all, but I haven't had breakfast yet and don't feel like searching for it.

Carry on...
 

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Dexter Sinister said:
I think not said:
Your Head of State is the Queen of England.

Nitpick: It's not really correct to call her the Queen of England. She's the Queen of England in much the same sense that George Dubya is President of Texas. She's Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain, which consists of England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland, and Queen of Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and a host of other places. I'm sure there's a web site somewhere that lists them all, but I haven't had breakfast yet and don't feel like searching for it.

Carry on...

Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith. :D
 

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Said1[/i]]The Queen does have some reserve powers that are executed through the GG, but generally does not act unless advised by the head of government. The last time the GG disloved government was in the 20's.
Just to be clear, the Governor General of Canada at the time, the late Right Honourable Lord Vismount Byng of Vimy, did not dissolve the Parliament of Canada on his own initiative; rather, he ignored the advice of the former Prime Minister of Canada, the late Right Honourable Mackenzie King, forcing him into resignation (because he had attempted to force an election while a motion of confidence was before the House of Commons — he was attempted to avoid, so to speak, judgement).

So, with his resignation, the Governor General invited the late Right Honourable Arthur Meighan to form a Government, which was defeated only a few weeks later on a confidence measure — Meighan requested that Lord Byng dissolve the Parliament, and he then agreed.

The Governor General exercised his reserve power to refuse dissolution — not to force it. :)
 

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I think not[/i]]Actually, ITN, on the first count, I do believe there are still rubber stamping items. Every now and then in the paper we hear about things that have gone to the Queen for her stamp of approval. I must admit however, that I do not know the circumstances that require this.
When the Governor General of Canada is presented with a piece of legislation for her assent, Her Excellency has three options: (a) she can grant her assent to the legislation, enacting into law; (b) she can refuse her assent to the legislation, denying its entry into the Statutes and causing the legislation to be vetoed; or (c) she can reserve the piece of legislation for the Signification of the Queen's Pleasure, which means that Her Excellency sees fit to call upon Her Majesty the Queen of Canada¹ to provide assent in person. I think, I think not, that this may be the practice you are referring to.

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FiveParadox said:
[i said:
I think not[/i]]Actually, ITN, on the first count, I do believe there are still rubber stamping items. Every now and then in the paper we hear about things that have gone to the Queen for her stamp of approval. I must admit however, that I do not know the circumstances that require this.
When the Governor General of Canada is presented with a piece of legislation for her assent, Her Excellency has three options: (a) she can grant her assent to the legislation, enacting into law; (b) she can refuse her assent to the legislation, denying its entry into the Statutes and causing the legislation to be vetoed; or (c) she can reserve the piece of legislation for the Signification of the Queen's Pleasure, which means that Her Excellency sees fit to call upon Her Majesty the Queen of Canada¹ to provide assent in person. I think, I think not, that this may be the practice you are referring to.

:!: Revision : (1) Corrected a formatting error.

I didn't say that. :lol:
 

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fuzzylogix said:
Finder, noone is denying that Britain settled here. I think people are responding to Blackleafs idea that we should grovel and thank Britain. History is history, and today, I dont think Britain should be considered the "mother nation", or France. We are a very multicultural society and we owe our makeup to all the wonderful traditions brought here from many countries. As for America, well Spanish did far more early exploring there than the British, the British settled only after Spain had sussed out the place for them. Oh, and of course we shouldnt forget Britains greatest achievement- Raleigh's Roanoke!



PS Glad someone mentioned the Native Indians---I wonder if they consider Britain to be the "mother" country.

But Britain is Canada's Mother Country. Britain "gave birth" to Canada.

You should be thankful that the British Empire created Canada. If we decided to stay at home and not colonise the world, there'd be NO Canada today.
 

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Nitpick: It's not really correct to call her the Queen of England. She's the Queen of England in much the same sense that George Dubya is President of Texas. She's Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain, which consists of England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland, and Queen of Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and a host of other places. I'm sure there's a web site somewhere that lists them all, but I haven't had breakfast yet and don't feel like searching for it.

Carry on...

It is correct to call her Queen of England. That's her title.

Just as Prince Charles is the Prince of Wales but he is the prince of more than just Wales.

To the Scots, she isn't Queen Elizabeth II. To them, she's Queen Elizabeth I.
 

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FiveParadox said:
[i said:
Said1[/i]]The Queen does have some reserve powers that are executed through the GG, but generally does not act unless advised by the head of government. The last time the GG disloved government was in the 20's.
Just to be clear, the Governor General of Canada at the time, the late Right Honourable Lord Vismount Byng of Vimy, did not dissolve the Parliament of Canada on his own initiative; rather, he ignored the advice of the former Prime Minister of Canada, the late Right Honourable Mackenzie King, forcing him into resignation (because he had attempted to force an election while a motion of confidence was before the House of Commons — he was attempted to avoid, so to speak, judgement).

So, with his resignation, the Governor General invited the late Right Honourable Arthur Meighan to form a Government, which was defeated only a few weeks later on a confidence measure — Meighan requested that Lord Byng dissolve the Parliament, and he then agreed.

The Governor General exercised his reserve power to refuse dissolution — not to force it. :)


When you address my posts, pls refrain from colours, or I will not respond to them. :p
 

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FiveParadox said:
:? I see.

As you wish, Said1, my apologies.

Darn, you didn't see the edit to add smilie. Sometimes I think I hit them, but they don't turn up.


Anyway, the over all point is that the GG doesn't exercise reserve powers often.
 

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No, that's quite true, Said1 — and for good reason!

I think that it's comforting for the Governor General of Canada has "emergency" sorts of reserve powers, and only if we can trust Her Excellency to use extraordinary discretion before thinking about their exercise. It makes our system of governance flexible.
 

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Blackleaf[/i]]It is correct to call her Queen of England. That's her title.
I don't think that anyone had the intention of denying that Her Majesty the Queen of Canada could not be addressed as the Queen of England; rather, I think it would be worth mentioning the notion of a "shared crown", where Her Majesty acts as the Queen of certain nations in their own right, independent of the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
 

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FiveParadox said:
No, that's quite true, Said1 — and for good reason!

I think that it's comforting for the Governor General of Canada has "emergency" sorts of reserve powers, and only if we can trust Her Excellency to use extraordinary discretion before thinking about their exercise. It makes our system of governance flexible.

I just like the tradition, it's part of our heritage and makes things interesting. I like watching the Changing of the Guards too, except for the goofy hats. :lol:
 

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My favorite event I have ever seen in British Royal tradition is the Military Tattoo....

Does anyone remember when Hong Kong was turned over by the British to the Chinese?

The military exhibition of men and horses was absolutely splendid and had me in tears it was so beautiful.

I don't know how often it is performed but the men and their horses must train a great deal to arrive at such perfection.
 

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Blackleaf said:
But Britain is Canada's Mother Country. Britain "gave birth" to Canada.

You should be thankful that the British Empire created Canada. If we decided to stay at home and not colonise the world, there'd be NO Canada today.

That's right, it's not like Canada is the second largest land mass on the planet. I'm sure ships would have sailed right by Canada and not even notice. :roll: