England, NOT the mother country

[I think not]

Re: RE: England, NOT the moth

nah, unlike those examples, Britain and the commonwealth's monarchy's power is ceremonial, but could be used in extreme cases, but hopefully never will be, they are not dictatorial rulers like the ones listed there ITN

I think you misunderstood what I was trying to convey. The British monarchy isn't dictatorial. I said, if anything, I concede to the fact the British monarchy may be in a better position to prevent a dictatorship as opposed to the other countries I mentioned.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

RE: England, NOT the moth

yeah see.....there we go again....agreeing, I'm gettinmg worried now

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: England, NOT the moth

yeah see.....there we go again....agreeing, I'm gettinmg worried now

Well ok, all that means is next time you're in New York, you're buying the beer.

 

[Said1]

Actually, everyone is being agreeable today, even the most disagreeable of the disagreeables.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

RE: England, NOT the moth

I'll buy the beer....but not anywhere near Times square.....it's increadibly expensive in bars near there.....I know a nice Aussie bar in SoHo though lol

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: England, NOT the moth

I'll buy the beer....but not anywhere near Times square.....it's increadibly expensive in bars near there.....I know a nice Aussie bar in SoHo though lol

The bars at Times square are tourist traps. I know a couple of English pubs. Most of the pubs though are Irish.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

RE: England, NOT the moth

yeah, I went in one to watch an England Soccer (aSOCCiation football) game.......we went to this bar near the square, food was extremely cheap, boy were my friends shocked when the beer bill came (not me, I dont drink lol).

I just enjoyed Spanish Harlem and the 98th 112th East subway at night, call me mad

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: England, NOT the moth

yeah, I went in one to watch an England Soccer (aSOCCiation football) game.......we went to this bar near the square, food was extremely cheap, boy were my friends shocked when the beer bill came (not me, I dont drink lol).

I just enjoyed Spanish Harlem and the 98th 112th East subway at night, call me mad

No you're not mad, you're bloody nuts!! :lol:

 

[fuzzylogix]

Re: RE: England, NOT the moth

{quote Blackleaf}.

After all, it was the British Empire that SPAWNED America and Canada. If it wasn't for the Britain and her Empire, there would be no America and no Canada in the world today, and the people who are now American and Canadian would instead be British, Irish, German, Swedish, Japanese, Chinese or, heaven forbid, French.

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Blackleaf:
1. You say this like it would be a bad thing????????
2. Actually the people in America and Canada are British, Irish, German, Swedish, Japanese, Chinese, French, Korean, Vietnamese, Sri Lankan, Polish, Russian, Sudanese, Egyptian, Finnish, Spanish, El Salvadorean, Venezuelan, Norwegian, Peruvian....... Just to name a few that I work with....

Nope, you can take back your Royals. I think it ridiculous that certain of our governmental papers have to go to the Queen for rubber stamping.

Also let your Royals pay for their own visits to us. If they want a $150,000 (&75,000) toilet built specially for them when they are visiting places like Sudbury, just so their royal tushes dont run the risk of having to sit where mortal man or woman has gone before, then let them pay for it themselves!!!!!

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: England, NOT the moth

Nope, you can take back your Royals. I think it ridiculous that certain of our governmental papers have to go to the Queen for rubber stamping.

I think the ruber stampthing ended in 1931.

Also let your Royals pay for their own visits to us. If they want a $150,000 (&75,000) toilet built specially for them when they are visiting places like Sudbury, just so their royal tushes dont run the risk of having to sit where mortal man or woman has gone before, then let them pay for it themselves!!!!!

And I don't think the monarchy costs any Canadian taxpayers money.

 

[fuzzylogix]

Actually, ITN, on the first count, I do believe there are still rubber stamping items. Every now and then in the paper we hear about things that have gone to the Queen for her stamp of approval. I must admit however, that I do not know the circumstances that require this.

On the second count, that story of the toilet is not made up. When Prince Charles came to visit Sudbury, they had to make a special toilet in case his highness got the urge to go, and it was presented to the public that we should not expect him to have to use a public toilet!

We also pay for the Governor General, who is technically the Queen's representative in Canada.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: England, NOT the mother country

Actually, ITN, on the first count, I do believe there are still rubber stamping items. Every now and then in the paper we hear about things that have gone to the Queen for her stamp of approval. I must admit however, that I do not know the circumstances that require this.

On the second count, that story of the toilet is not made up. When Prince Charles came to visit Sudbury, they had to make a special toilet in case his highness got the urge to go, and it was presented to the public that we should not expect him to have to use a public toilet!

We also pay for the Governor General, who is technically the Queen's representative in Canada.

I didn't realize documents need rubber stamping from the Queen. As for the royals, well I have my own ideas about that, and they aren't pretty. :lol: I just never got over how someone by chance of birth gets special treatment. Anyways.

Well thanks for the response, I learn something everyday.

 

[fuzzylogix]

I am embarrassed to say I just had to look up the details. The rubber stamping is usually done by the Governor General acting for the Queen. Even though it is mainly symbolic now, the Queen is our Head of State and she COULD go against any Parliamentary decision if she wanted to. There also supposedly is a rule that when she steps onto Canadian soil she is Queen of Canada. By the way,each province also has to fund a Lieutenant Governor, the Queen's provincial representatives.

I am not a monarchist at all. I think it is disgusting that someone is supposed to be special just because they were born into a family. I do understand the love of the pomp and circumstance and mystique of royalty in England, but it should be considered a job and if they dont do a good job, they shouldnt get their pay. Also, the Queen is the representative of the Church and with all the philandering and crap that goes on in that family, they certainly shouldnt be pretending that they are a good example... God forbid if all of England behaved as they do.

How about that fire at Windsor Castle where the poor queen bemoaned at her loss and expected the public to help pay!!!!

 

[I think not]

I get the picture, you're no big fan of the monarchy.

 

[Said1]

Re: RE: England, NOT the mother country

I am embarrassed to say I just had to look up the details. The rubber stamping is usually done by the Governor General acting for the Queen. Even though it is mainly symbolic now, the Queen is our Head of State and she COULD go against any Parliamentary decision if she wanted to. There also supposedly is a rule that when she steps onto Canadian soil she is Queen of Canada. By the way,each province also has to fund a Lieutenant Governor, the Queen's provincial representatives.

I am not a monarchist at all. I think it is disgusting that someone is supposed to be special just because they were born into a family. I do understand the love of the pomp and circumstance and mystique of royalty in England, but it should be considered a job and if they dont do a good job, they shouldnt get their pay. Also, the Queen is the representative of the Church and with all the philandering and crap that goes on in that family, they certainly shouldnt be pretending that they are a good example... God forbid if all of England behaved as they do.

How about that fire at Windsor Castle where the poor queen bemoaned at her loss and expected the public to help pay!!!!

The Queen does have some reserve powers that are executed through the GG, but generally does not act unless advised by the head of government. The last time the GG disloved government was in the 20's.

The siging of papers is usually with resepct to stuff that invloves her, such as the naming of the GG and Leiutenant. Simple stuff.

I don't really like the Queen of Canada stuff, but she is the head of state, so fuhget aboot it. All in all though, I don't mind the tradition in the least.

 

[Blackleaf]

Re: RE: England, NOT the moth

nah ITN is right, the US doesnt need to thank britain, although of course it was the british who got the ball rolling, They should thank the spanish though, it's most of their old land that is now the US of A

I didn't say that, I said I can think of many reasons Americans should thank the British, except for the empire itself.

But shouldn't you thank the British Empire for creating America?

British Empire gave birth to America. You wouldn't be American if it wasn't for the Empire.

Quite simple, really.

 

[Blackleaf]

Re: RE: England, NOT the moth

nah ITN is right, the US doesnt need to thank britain, although of course it was the british who got the ball rolling, They should thank the spanish though, it's most of their old land that is now the US of A

But the 13 ORIGINAL colonies, the founding states of the United States, were British colonies.

Yeah, but you took them away from others before you, like New Amsterdam from the Dutch?

Not all of them. We founded plantations where no other Europeans had been before.

An Englishman called Penn founded Pennsylvania.

And if anyone did the tsealing of land, it was the Americans themselves. I'm still waiting for America to give Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California back to Mexico.

 

[Blackleaf]

As Daz_Hockey said, Americans and Canadians need to stop whingeing about the Empire. They seem to talk about it more than the British themselves.

Yeah, in the 1920s we ruled a quarter of the planet's population; a half of all the world's ships were British ships; Britain had about half of all the world's foreign investment; and we dug up more coal then the rest of the planet COMBINED.

But there's no reason to cry about it.

 

[Finder]

I think it is reasonable to call both France and the UK, Canadas mother nation, as well as those of the first nations who had this land before we did. But to denny England and France is to ingore history, or at least re-write, which I guess some revisionists are doing. *shrugs*

 

[fuzzylogix]

Finder, noone is denying that Britain settled here. I think people are responding to Blackleafs idea that we should grovel and thank Britain. History is history, and today, I dont think Britain should be considered the "mother nation", or France. We are a very multicultural society and we owe our makeup to all the wonderful traditions brought here from many countries. As for America, well Spanish did far more early exploring there than the British, the British settled only after Spain had sussed out the place for them. Oh, and of course we shouldnt forget Britains greatest achievement- Raleigh's Roanoke!



PS Glad someone mentioned the Native Indians---I wonder if they consider Britain to be the "mother" country.