Enbridge - Back in the Bad News section- Yet again

[Goober]

Enbridge -
Enbridge ordered to fix emergency-shutdowns at pump stations by 2016 - The Globe and Mail

Canada’s energy regulator has given Enbridge Inc., one of the country’s two pipeline giants, until 2016 to comply with rules tied to its emergency shutdown requirements – demands the watchdog made after finding 117 of 125 pump stations across the country were not up to snuff.

The National Energy Board approved Enbridge’s proposed plan last week after determining a number of the company’s pump stations lacked emergency shutdown push-buttons and an alternate source of power needed to operate the shutdowns.

Enbridge’s regulatory shortcomings arrive as energy companies face fierce opposition, with critics pointing fingers at the industry’s stumbles. However, while the NEB found Enbridge violated the rules, the regulator also admits it only recently started pursuing investigations tied to emergency shutdown mechanisms.

“In the past, it was thought that this requirement could be met as long as an uninterruptible power supply was available,” Carole Léger-Kubeczek, a spokeswoman for the NEB said Monday, noting the regulator approved Enbridge’s corrective action proposal last week.

“Over time, it became apparent that having an uninterruptible power supply would not provide sufficient power to remotely close station isolation valves, and that the ability to remotely close station isolation valves was required in order to meet this particular regulation which is part of the [Onshore Pipeline Regulations].

 

[petros]

However, while the NEB found Enbridge violated the rules, the regulator also admits it only recently started pursuing investigations tied to emergency shutdown mechanisms.

No wonder all the lines they bought off Yanks were so cheap. They're crap. It's time to put the load on new modern lines that aren't older than I am.

 

[taxslave]

Funny how the usual suspects are against building new lines and also complain about outdated ones breaking. Must be the same group that fights replacing the Sea Kings and bitches about the high downtime and maintenance costs.

 

[petros]

They prefer oil by rail running through the downtowns of thousands of towns and cities.

 

[Cliffy]

They prefer oil by rail running through the downtowns of thousands of towns and cities.

Sure. Why not? People are already polluted, toxic waste. Why make the rest of our wilderness just like us.

 

[captain morgan]

They prefer oil by rail running through the downtowns of thousands of towns and cities.

That's what they will be getting for all of the pissing and moaning that's going on... Oh, and tank farms at the ports - lots of 'em.... Thankfully, those massive above (or below) ground tanks never corrode.

BTW - why would this news item be a 'bad news' story? You'd think that the ecotards would be celebrating this as a massive victory.

Go figure

 

[Cliffy]

Pipelines are bad enough but it is the shipping in some of the most dangerous straights on the west coast that pose the biggest threat to life. The whole northern pipeline should never have been considered in the first place. I never understood the mentality of trashing our environment for foreign interests. We don't need oil. We have the technology to do away with our dependence on fossil fuels, and I'm not talking wind or solar or electric cars. Too many people falling for the oil cartel propaganda.

 

[captain morgan]

Pipelines are bad enough but it is the shipping in some of the most dangerous straights on the west coast that pose the biggest threat to life. The whole northern pipeline should never have been considered in the first place. I never understood the mentality of trashing our environment for foreign interests. We don't need oil. We have the technology to do away with our dependence on fossil fuels, and I'm not talking wind or solar or electric cars. Too many people falling for the oil cartel propaganda.

The oil will get to the coast Cliffy, it's now a question of by pipeline or rail.

And no, the tech does not exist to 'do away with oil' unless you're advocating for the wide spread use of clear cutting forests to provide the wood to heat homes.

You (all people) want a defined lifestyle? Computer tech, roads, hospitals, gvt services, food stuffs, pretty much everything is fueled by oil/gas in some form be it transportation, manufacturing or agriculture.

 

[Cannuck]

Sure. Why not? People are already polluted, toxic waste.

Speak for yourself.

 

[petros]

Sure. Why not? People are already polluted, toxic waste. Why make the rest of our wilderness just like us.

I'd go with a modern pipe...or maybe a ditch or just float it down the Fraser from just outside Jasper.

 

[Walter]

If only the guvmint ran the pipelines, then there would be no deficiencies.

 

[Cliffy]

I'd go with a modern pipe...or maybe a ditch or just float it down the Fraser from just outside Jasper.

Sure. Why not. The Fraser is polluted as hell anyway and the port in Van is better suited to shipping oil. Kitimat is too dangerous.

 

[taxslave]

They prefer oil by rail running through the downtowns of thousands of towns and cities.

I noticed that. Rail transport is just sooo safe. Not to mention having to unload each car individually. In the Vancouver area some municipalities with a strong left bent have passed resolutions banning pipelines and rail transport of oil and coal through their little burgs to Deltaport.
One thing about it, there are far more union jobs involved per gallon in rail transport than pipelines. Think I will buy me some shares in environmental cleanup companies and shed the insurance industry ones.

If only the guvmint ran the pipelines, then there would be no deficiencies.

You run out of purple ink?

Cliffy unless you walk the 15 or so miles to your abode you are at least a guilty as thee rest of us. Probably more so since I am positive you drive an old,inefficient ,out of tune beater that pollutes way more than the rest of us with newer properly running vehicles.

Sure. Why not. The Fraser is polluted as hell anyway and the port in Van is better suited to shipping oil. Kitimat is too dangerous.

Nothing wrong with the Kitimat area. I am working up there right now. Sa I have stated before my preference would be farther down the channel another 30 miles or so. Basically outside of Grebel Island.

 

[Zipperfish]

That's what they will be getting for all of the pissing and moaning that's going on... Oh, and tank farms at the ports - lots of 'em.... Thankfully, those massive above (or below) ground tanks never corrode.

BTW - why would this news item be a 'bad news' story? You'd think that the ecotards would be celebrating this as a massive victory.

Go figure

Well, I may be an "ecotard" so please tell me more about this magical material the tanks are made out of that never corrodes.

Nothing wrong with the Kitimat area. I am working up there right now. Sa I have stated before my preference would be farther down the channel another 30 miles or so. Basically outside of Grebel Island.

Nonsense. Kitimat is aproblem. Or, more specifically the Hecate Strait, Douglas Channel adn Kitimat Arm are the problem. Ultimately it's a risk/reward equation that British Columbians have to solve. To date, the reward isn't worth the risk, according to polls in BC. That might change if times get tough. But not today.

 

[petros]

Nonsense. Kitimat is aproblem. Or, more specifically the Hecate Strait,
Douglas Channel adn Kitimat Arm are the problem. Ultimately it's a risk/reward
equation that British Columbians have to solve. To date, the reward isn't worth
the risk, according to polls in BC. That might change if times get tough. But
not today

How do you kill a dead eco system? Fluoride from aluminum smelting did that place in 60 years ago already.

Well, I may be an "ecotard" so please tell me more about this magical material
the tanks are made out of that never corrodes.

Which one? The hemp one would be up your alley. I works great on the potash cars. Zero rust baby.

 

[Zipperfish]

The Kitimat Arm isn't dead by any means. Degraded. It was worse twenty years ago when I first went there actually. Trees weren't doing too well. Fish were tainted from the pulp mill. The mill is closed now, and the air pollution standards are a lot higher, so less impact from the smelter.

Rupert would have been a better choice. Even Vancouver. But the Douglas Arm is pretty treachorous for VLCC oil tankers. Panamax tankers maybe.

I've never seen a field-erected storage tank made out of hemp. You might be onto something! :lol:

 

[Cliffy]

The Kitimat Arm isn't dead by any means. Degraded. It was worse twenty years ago when I first went there actually. Trees weren't doing too well. Fish were tainted from the pulp mill. The mill is closed now, and the air pollution standards are a lot higher, so less impact from the smelter.

Rupert would have been a better choice. Even Vancouver. But the Douglas Arm is pretty treachorous for VLCC oil tankers. Panamax tankers maybe.

I've never seen a field-erected storage tank made out of hemp. You might be onto something! :lol:

hemp oil plastic is a ten time stronger than plastic made from petroleum. I wonder if they could make a tanker ship hull out of it. Could be Petros' next big crop.

 

[petros]

Less damage from the smelter? Sodium Fluoride is good for the environment?

hemp oil plastic is a ten time stronger than plastic made from petroleum. I wonder if they could make a tanker ship hull out of it. Could be Petros' next big crop.

I'll never grow hemp. It means buying expensive equipment from France and huge losses in profits.

I've never seen a field-erected storage tank made out of hemp. You might be onto something! :lol:

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[taxslave]

Well, I may be an "ecotard" so please tell me more about this magical material the tanks are made out of that never corrodes.




Nonsense. Kitimat is aproblem. Or, more specifically the Hecate Strait, Douglas Channel adn Kitimat Arm are the problem. Ultimately it's a risk/reward equation that British Columbians have to solve. To date, the reward isn't worth the risk, according to polls in BC. That might change if times get tough. But not today.

Have you ever been in the area? Judging by your posts I would have to say that you, like most of those trying to destroy the economy have never been anywhere close to Kitimat while I OTH have been around the entire area by boat and plane and have worked on both Douglas and Ursla channels.

 

[Zipperfish]

Have you ever been in the area? Judging by your posts I would have to say that you, like most of those trying to destroy the economy have never been anywhere close to Kitimat while I OTH have been around the entire area by boat and plane and have worked on both Douglas and Ursla channels.

Why is this place so filled with angry people? Take a Midol. Have a beer. Whatever. I am not trying to destory the eoncomy. I'm saying that Ruprt or Vancouver would have been better choices. I've been to the area lots of times. If you've been there by boat, you would know it's a risky venture to get a VLCC up there in inclement weather.

Less damage from the smelter? Sodium Fluoride is good for the environment?

The first statement does not necessarily lead to the second. Examine assumptions; re-run model.


Tanks corrode, despite coatings. Coatings can actually accelerate corrosion in certain instances. If there is no decent maintenance program in place to identify where the coating has come off, it can "concentrate" corrosion in small areas, leading to sever pit corrosion and early failure.