Electric shock: A new study found that EVs were more expensive to fuel than gas-powered cars at the end of 2022

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Halfbreed makes the most sense but Id rather a diesel halfbreed than gasoline if there were.
halfbreed works well in a car. Lose too much carrying capacity in a work truck. I also doubt that one could legally carry a camper with a halfbreed.
 

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The same. It has to. A one tonne is a one tonne
Different 1Tons from different years (Ford Dodge GMC) have different weight ratings for Towing capacity.

A 1Ton with single drive wheels will have a lower weight rating than one with dual wheels (though they have the same drive train), & they’re all 1Tons.

I’ve never compared 1Ton full electric or hybrid weight ratings against Diesel, etc… because to the best of my knowledge none of the exist yet.

A pick up with a 4cyl will have a different towing capacity rating than one with a v8 or inline six…& they might all be 1/2Tons.
 
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Different 1Tons from different years (Ford Dodge GMC) have different weight ratings for Towing capacity.

A 1Ton with single drive wheels will have a lower weight rating than one with dual wheels (though they have the same drive train), & they’re all 1Tons.

I’ve never compared 1Ton full electric or hybrid weight ratings against Diesel, etc… because to the best of my knowledge none of the exist yet.

A pick up with a 4cyl will have a different towing capacity rating than one with a v8 or inline six…& they might all be 1/2Tons.
There are variables out the yin yang. Rear gears, stick, automatic, dualies, 4x4 etc. Lots of combos.

A Ram 3500 is a Ram 3500 no matter the drive train.
 

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There are variables out the yin yang. Rear gears, stick, automatic, dualies, 4x4 etc. Lots of combos.

A Ram 3500 is a Ram 3500 no matter the drive train.
Is anyone building an electric (fully) or hybrid 1Ton truck for commercial or private usage? Is this all hypothetical?

I know we couldn’t touch the darn things (at least the fully electric) because of the limited range ourselves.
 

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Is anyone building an electric (fully) or hybrid 1Ton truck for commercial or private usage? Is this all hypothetical?

I know we couldn’t touch the darn things (at least the fully electric) because of the limited range ourselves.
Oh Hell no! Thats what nakes the conversation absurd. Where are our options?
 

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The 3.9 million square kilometres incorporating the Yukon, Northwest Territories and Nunavut is the first area in Canada to achieve 100% charging capacity, reported Blacklock’s Reporter.

“The department understands the importance of ensuring there is sufficient public charging infrastructure and is taking steps to understand and address needs, including in northern and remote areas,” the department wrote to the Senate national finance committee.

“There are currently 34 public electric vehicle chargers in the territories to service the seven electric vehicles, representing a ratio of less than one electric vehicle to charger.”

The department didn’t say where the 34 charging stations are located or who is driving electric cars, all seven of them, but in the Canadian Arctic they now have 34 public charging stations for those seven vehicles, according to the Natural Resources Department.
 
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The 3.9 million square kilometres incorporating the Yukon, Northwest Territories and Nunavut is the first area in Canada to achieve 100% charging capacity, reported Blacklock’s Reporter.

“The department understands the importance of ensuring there is sufficient public charging infrastructure and is taking steps to understand and address needs, including in northern and remote areas,” the department wrote to the Senate national finance committee.

“There are currently 34 public electric vehicle chargers in the territories to service the seven electric vehicles, representing a ratio of less than one electric vehicle to charger.”

The department didn’t say where the 34 charging stations are located or who is driving electric cars, all seven of them, but in the Canadian Arctic they now have 34 public charging stations for those seven vehicles, according to the Natural Resources Department.

Going hydrogen...
 

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The bottom line is that EV's are not environmentally better than fueled vehicles. The mining involved take place in countries that have no environmental laws & use child labor but guess that's OK as long as we're paying. The whole thing is sick!
Well, doesn’t look like they’re financially better either, and as of late they don’t look like they’re a choice but a mandated inevitability for the Canadians that can eventually afford one.
There are lots of stories finally coming out about the high cost of battery replacement. In the news a day or two ago ICBC had to write off a fairly new EV Leaf? Because there was some damage to the battery and a replacement is $60000. If you can get one. Another Leaf, 2017 needed a new battery and is covered on warranty, but there is none available to fit it. The guy has been waiting a year now.
Just the stories of the costs of the home charging stations. Go to install one and budget $3000-$5000…but it turns into $15,000+ by the time the home/garage electrical system is upgraded, etc…& that’s in “now” dollars & not “future” dollars.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is on a tear. This week he trotted out the b-word — “baloney” — to describe Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre’s call for tariffs on cheap Chinese-made EVs threatening to flood the Canadian market and demolish domestic manufacturing. In May, the U.S. hiked its tariffs to 100 per cent from 25 per cent, while the EU has set tariffs north of 38 per cent. The Canadian government just wrapped a 30-day consultation on the issue, with a decision expected soon.
"Based on our analysis, the federal government's financial commitment to Volkswagen will total around $16.3 billion over the period of the agreement," Parliament Budget Officer Yves Giroux said in a news release.

The federal government announced the deal with Volkswagen earlier this year. Ottawa agreed to provide up to $13.2 billion in production subsidies to the company over the next decade.
Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland is disputing the report, arguing the PBO made an incorrect assumption, but she may or may not be communicating the financial concept effectively.
The overarching issue for the Prime Minister, however, should be the one he avoided: the impact of cheap Chinese cars on national security. China seeks to undermine the stability of other nations through many means, including economic. It has indebted myriad nations in Africa through “debt trap diplomacy,” loaning money for infrastructure projects that these countries cannot repay. It has hollowed out the American manufacturing base by supplying cut-rate clothes and consumer goods, including some made by slave labour. And now, it seeks to dump inexpensive EVs into North America on the pretext of saving the planet — but really, to crush western automakers.
The United States government announced in February that it is investigating the issue of embedded surveillance in Chinese cars. Even our own government is doing so: in June Deputy PM Chrystia Freeland said “We’re also looking at the national security aspect of this; the security aspect including cybersecurity, when it comes to Chinese exports of high technology items, like EVs.” But she may not be communicating that idea effectively, etc…

So why is Trudeau now using the issue of Chinese EVs to score partisan points? Why is he not just taking a stand, siding with our allies, and safeguarding both Canadian jobs and Canadian sovereignty? Oh wait, it’s Trudeau, & China we’re talking about…

Perhaps one should call Beijing and ask. The relationship between Trudeau and China is so extensive, it would take another column to do it justice, so I’ll just link to this excellent piece by Terry Glavin and let you read about it there.
 
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The Chinese or any one else can flood the market , if no one buys its crap , who cares .
 

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The Chinese or any one else can flood the market , if no one buys its crap , who cares .
First Transport Canada needs to road safe them or insurance will be an issue. I wanna see what a 4 axle cement truck with a full 14 yards can do to a few.
 

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The news since the beginning of the month is that electric vehicle sales continue to soften, the cost of the global transition to alternate energy will be many trillions (yes, trillions) more than anyone has admitted and the measures implemented thus far, at great expense already, have had little impact on emissions or fossil fuel use, both of which are up in the past decade.

At least in the western world, the “green” movement has basically been a parlour game by “progressive” elites funded at great cost by consumers and taxpayers (who are usually one and the same people.)

Within the past two weeks, auto giant Ford has announced it’s converting a plant in Oakville from making EVs to producing oversized, internal-combustion pickup trucks because there is no market for the EVs and lots of demand for heavy duty trucks.

Quebec’s Lion Electric, which hopes to produce all-electric highway transports and buses, announced it was laying off 300 workers on top of the 220 it had laid off in February and April. Its shares are now in penny stock territory.

Umicore, an EV battery maker, suspended construction of its $2.8-billion plant in eastern Ontario despite $1 billion in subsidies from Ottawa and Queen’s Park.

And Northvolt, which last year announced a possible delay in the construction of its $3-billion plant in Quebec, announced in the last month that it was conducting a “strategic review” of its entire EV operations.

Now that wealthier consumers have purchased their EV toys and status symbols, middle-class buyers are not jumping into the pricier, less-reliable, inconvenient-to-charge EV market in the numbers government planners and environmentalists had predicted.

At a speech in Ottawa this week, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau insisted the $33 billion his government has spent on EV battery and car plants (along with $19 billion or $20 billion from Ontario and Quebec) was money well spent. It will ensure Canada is at the forefront of the coming EV boom.

The past 14 days have been a tough fortnight for those who, like our federal Liberal government, have a cultish obsession with saving the planet through a transition to “green” energy.
Then along came Janet Yellen, the U.S. treasury secretary. Speaking in Brazil, where she was sure to attract less media coverage, Yellen claimed the energy transition, which the Biden administration fully backs, will cost globally at least $4.1 trillion a year for the next 25 years. Cumulatively, that’s well over $100 trillion.

That’s 3% of worldwide production of all goods and services every year just for the transition to alternate energy. It’s a staggering number and one that is unlikely to be reached.
 
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