Very vocally blue. We had the bumper stickers, the pins, and the yardsigns. We were NOT afraid. We were only afraid for our innocent dogs, one of whom is a Canadian dog...
Election Countdown
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I've met quite a few left-leaning people from Montana. They are a definite minority, but they are around.
The story of George is best left for another thread, Peapod. Plentywood isn't exactly getting around either...it's the closest US town to Regina. 18 miles south of the border. It's closer to where I grew up than it is where Apollo is right now.
The story of George is best left for another thread, Peapod. Plentywood isn't exactly getting around either...it's the closest US town to Regina. 18 miles south of the border. It's closer to where I grew up than it is where Apollo is right now.
Yea, red-state lefties have to be tough. And I'm doubly lefty, for I'm left-handed as well as even-handed.
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Well, I feel better knowing there are people like you, and people like my very blue nephew in Seattle. He is blue in two senses of the word, blue politically and blue in his current state of mind over the election. What the hell, he's going hiking this weekend, so maybe he'll be blue in the freezing-his-butt-off way too. That'll make him triple-blue to your double-blue!
HousesOfApollo said:
Well, I feel better knowing there are people like you, and people like my very blue nephew in Seattle. He is blue in two senses of the word, blue politically and blue in his current state of mind over the election. What the hell, he's going hiking this weekend, so maybe he'll be blue in the freezing-his-butt-off way too. That'll make him triple-blue to your double-blue!
I'm wearing a blue tee-shirt, am blue over the election, and I am also freezing. Blue times five....
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Oh bugger, I think you just out-blued the boy. WAIT a minute, you're in Montana and you're wearing a t-shirt at this time of year? You're not just blue, you're nuts!
HousesOfApollo said:
Oh bugger, I think you just out-blued the boy.
WAIT a minute, you're in Montana and you're wearing a t-shirt at this time of year? You're not just blue, you're nuts!I'm indoors, silly. If I seem crazy, that's because the world is crazy, and I'm only reacting to it all. Anyway, here's what's going to be my 'site' on my forums:
http://housesofapollo.deviantart.com/
It's no much, but oh well. There's not much I can do about anything...
http://housesofapollo.deviantart.com/
It's no much, but oh well. There's not much I can do about anything...
So was Napoleon and Julius Caesar, so we're in good company . Julius Caesar would shake hands with his right hand, and keep his weapon hand free . That's at least the story I heard about the hand-shake.
. Julius Caesar would shake hands with his right hand, and keep his weapon hand free . That's at least the story I heard about the hand-shake.
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Hey, you can do a lot of good. You say that fascism has been voted in and there's nothing more you can do... are you saying fascism is stronger than democracy? Are you saying nobody should fight to make sure the same thing doesn't happen in four years? God, I hope not.
By the way, on your site, you list one of my all-time favourite movies, Dr. Strangelove.
HousesOfApollo said:
Hey, you can do a lot of good. You say that fascism has been voted in and there's nothing more you can do... are you saying fascism is stronger than democracy? Are you saying nobody should fight to make sure the same thing doesn't happen in four years? God, I hope not.
By the way, on your site, you list one of my all-time favourite movies, Dr. Strangelove.
It's showed itself to be stronger this go around. And if the people just accept it, just lie down to be steamrolled by it, then it is stronger. That is why I talk about making people as miserable as possible, to put their feet to the fire.
Wow apollo that is exactly what I do, I shake hands with my right just in case I need to use my weapon
Have you seen the alternate ending to Dr. Strangelove? It's this bizarre pie fight. They didn't use it because they actors were smiling, but it's pretty cool. It available out here in cyberspace someplace.
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Nobody is accepting it, except those who voted for it. Since the smarter half of the United States is the half that voted against Bush, I would say nobody is going to be steamrolled by it. Work with it as best as one can in the interim, sure, but just accept it? I think not. What happened during the American Revolution, it sure seemed as though Britain was the stronger and would prevail... but it didn't.
Best weapon is a convincing argument, even to the ones who barely listen. I think getting people to see the wrong of the right - if you see what I mean - will be a far more effective 'revolution' tool than making people miserable.
HousesOfApollo said:
Nobody is accepting it, except those who voted for it. Since the smarter half of the United States is the half that voted against Bush, I would say nobody is going to be steamrolled by it. Work with it as best as one can in the interim, sure, but just accept it? I think not. What happened during the American Revolution, it sure seemed as though Britain was the stronger and would prevail... but it didn't.
Best weapon is a convincing argument, even to the ones who barely listen. I think getting people to see the wrong of the right - if you see what I mean - will be a far more effective 'revolution' tool than making people miserable.
An argument!? God knows I've tried that one. These people have that cult mentality, they just throw out any information that doesn't fit with their 'world view'. There was a poll that came out before the election where they polled Kerry supporters, and Bush supporters, and the Bush supporters had the most distorted view of world events. And when told otherwise they were more likely to reject the new information. It is scary indeed talking to these people, looking them in their eyes and telling them the truth, and just seeing them turn blank, it's one of the scariest things in the world.
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Hell, it is scary just hearing such a first-hand view of what's happening down there. Are you in university, by chance? What is the atmosphere like on campus?
HousesOfApollo said:
Hell, it is scary just hearing such a first-hand view of what's happening down there. Are you in university, by chance? What is the atmosphere like on campus?
I wouldn't know, but from I've heard it's pretty bad as well. Earlier this year a bunch of Dean supporters were attacked by college Republicans, and what stopped them was people holding them off using their political signs as shields. Joan Jett was there and started singing the national anthem, and the Republicans, being the hypocrites they are, left. There's also the usual protesters on campus, in Missoula (a college town), they've had the biggest anti-war protests in Montana. There is a lot of fear of being hurt, physically harmed by the political opposition. They're very violent people, just like the people that they support. In short they're Brownshirts, and they're very cultish in their behavior. And I know this term is thrown around a lot, but it's true, they're quite simply BRAINWASHED.
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Apollo, it must feel overwhelming at times. I can't even imagine. I can see what you mean about pesuasion, it sounds as though it would be next to impossible. What do you think can be done? By the way, you signature makes a lie out of anything you say about giving up the fight. And this is a good thing.
HousesOfApollo said:
Apollo, it must feel overwhelming at times. I can't even imagine. I can see what you mean about pesuasion, it sounds as though it would be next to impossible. What do you think can be done? By the way, you signature makes a lie out of anything you say about giving up the fight. And this is a good thing.
It's from this RATM song. What do I think can be done? Shock and awe. We have to remain as visible as possible, and that's not going to be easy with the media making us disappear. Images are far more powerful than words, especially with these kinds of people. So we use images to get our point across. Pictures of all the slums, all the dead people, of draft-dodgers and protests. This is just about all that got us out of Vietnam, is the images from the front line. Remember that sort of cliche about people hearing death reports while they're eating dinner? I wasn't alive then so I have to believe that this was the case. We must find some kind of way to make this happen again. We have to become WEARY, and SICK and fighting. Bring the price of these wars HOME, and then people will be forced to think again. But that's nearly impossible, with our media system the way it is. I remember going up to Canada, and I read things in your news that were damaging to the Bush Admin, that just NEVER EVER show up in our press. If it's damaging to Bush, chances are it will not be reported on the channels that 90 percent plus people get their news, this is how we've gotten were we are today. It's practically pravda.