Eid al-Adha

Machjo

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To all Muslims and true followers of Islam....... happy up coming Eid al-Adha.....

Enjoy the festival of sacrifice...

If I were Muslim, I'd not eat the mutton though. A sheep is too cute and mutton is high in cholestorol. Better than most if not all other meats, granted, but still high in cholesterol compared to a vegan diet. I'd be the vegan Muslim if I were Muslim. I imagine I'd stick out like a sore thumb there with my vegan Indian curry or sichuan food.
 

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Ha! To celebrate the willingness of Abraham to sacrifice his son Ishmael ??? Abraham was willing to sacrifice his son Isaac, not Ishmael!!!

More lies from the "religion of peace".

The Torah says: he sacrificed his "only son", when Isaac was not born yet; had there been Isaac, he would not be 'his only son'.
But because Ezra the priest who re-wrote the present Torah; this Ezra hated the Arab, so he said: Isaac was the son to be sacrificed.

If one contemplates it: the trial of Abraham will be more severe, if he sacrifices his 'only son' whom he has no other son, while if he is told to sacrifice one son, when having another son, the sacrifice will not be so severe.

In fact, Abraham gets old and he had no son, then he married Aagar and got his first son Ishmael, so he loved him very much for he had no son then he got Ishmael ... and here the trial will be most severe .. to see he loves his son or he loves God more and so to obey God... and will he sacrifice his only son whom he loved very much.

Of course the Children of Israel want this honor to be to their father Isaac, rather than to their uncle Ishmael.

Anyhow, Isaac also was a respectful knowledgeable prophet.

Quran Soora 37:
{99. And [Abraham] said: "I am leaving for [the worship of] my Lord; He will lead me [in my emigration, to a place that He will choose for me k.]"

100. l "My Lord, offer to me [a son who will be] righteous."

101. So We gave to him the good tidings of a clement boy [having a wise thinking and behavior m.]

102. And when [his son: Ishmael] was old enough to help him n, [Abraham] said: "My son, I have seen, in a dream, that I must sacrifice you. So consider [the matter]: what do you think? o "
[Ishmael] said: "My father, do that with which you are commanded.
If God will, you shall find me [one] of the steadfast."
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103. And when they [both] had surrendered q [to God's command] and he had flung him down [on the earth] upon his forehead.

104. We called to him: "Abraham!"

105. "You have already fulfilled the vision; thus r do We reward those who do good."

106. That [indeed] was a most severe trial. s "

107. Then t We redeemed him with a tremendous slaughter u.

108. And We left for him [good praise] among the later [generations who believe.]

109. "Salam be for Abraham." v

110. Thus do We reward those [righteous among your nation] who are kind [to the poor and weak.]

111. [Abraham] was one of Our believing servants w.}
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99 k Which will be suitable for my sojourning.
Therefore, he emigrated from Iraq, the city of Ur of the Chaldeans; which was called Haran; it was about 16 kilometers away from the city of Nassiriyah.
So he went to the land of Canaan :) Jordan), then he travelled to the valley of Sinai near to the Hor Mount (or the El-tour Mountain), where he built a mosque [: a place of God’s worshipping], then he went to Egypt many years later.
Afterwards, he returned to the land of Canaan.
Together with him were Lot, the son of his brother, Sara his wife who was his cousin (the daughter of his uncle: his father’s brother), in addition to his shepherds and his cattle.
In his emigration, God gave him so much wealth and cattle.
100 l Then he prayed God to give him a son, and he said:
101 m Is the thinker who does not hasten in taking decisions.
So His wife Hagar begot for him his son Ishmael: his first born of Hagar; then he begot his son Isaac born of Sarah.
102 n Concerning what he could do about the livelihood and the family affairs.
102 o What do you say about the slaughtering: do you agree about it or not?
102 p God intended with such dream to try Abraham: to see will he offer his son or will he abstain.


103 q And both of them agreed to it.


105 r i.e. as did We reward him with pardoning him the slaughtering of his son, as such will we reward those who follow their righteous way of the submission and compliance to God’s command.


106 s i.e. the manifest trial and the extreme testing.
So God – be glorified – revealed to Abraham: Sacrifice a ram instead of your son.
So he took a ram out of his sheep, sacrificed it and put it upon the altar.


107 t Afterwards.
107 u Else than the ram.
It means: with a tremendous sacrifice which occurred to the Children of Israel, in which about one hundred thousand men were killed, in a battle lasted four days.
Refer to the Book of Judges, chapters 19-21.


109 v i.e. you too say: “Salam to Abraham.”


111 w i.e. who believe firmly in God and His might.


112 x Ezra said in his Torah that the one whom Abraham sacrificed was Isaac. Ezra did mistake about that, or that might have been deliberate: because Ishmael was the father of the Arab, while Jews are against the Arab.
The indication of the Ezra’s hating of Ishmael is that he described him by the ‘wild’:

“And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him.”


The same Torah contradicts such words, where God – be glorified – said in the Book of Genesis, chapter 22: He said to Abraham:
“Take now thy son, your only son, whom you love, and get you into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell you of.”

He said also when they went up to the mountain and cast him on the ground and intended to sacrifice him:
“10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.
11 And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.
12 And he said, Lay not your hand upon the lad, neither do you anything to him: for now I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, your only son from me.”

So see that God – be glorified – said: “your only son”: for Ishmael was his first born and was his ‘only son’ until Isaac was born and they became two.
So had it been meant Isaac, He wouldn’t have said: ‘your only son.’


Moreover, God – be glorified – mentioned the story of Abraham and his son whom he presented for sacrifice, in this soora of the Quran, before He mentioned Isaac, and He did not mention the pregnancy of Sarah with Isaac and the glad tidings for Abraham about his son but only after the end of the story; as in His saying – be glorified – in this aya which means: (And We gave him the good tidings of Isaac: a prophet: one of the righteous.)

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/37.htm#a37_99

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I thought Ishmael was a gorilla.

Abraham was a Sumerian, not a Jew. Why is he the father of all the religions based on the war god of the desert? And why can't people accept that the story is a fable, not an historical fact?

The religion of God is not essentially a religion of war, but disbelievers, atheists and God's enemy will not let people pray God alone and will attack them so as to eradicate them and to eradicate God's worship.

If one doubts about this, let him see this forum, and how all of them jump and shout at my face once I mention the name of God, or Mohammed or the Quran.

Therefore, God repels the disbelievers by the believers or else the atheism and disbelief will prevail and God's name will be forbidden.

Quran 22: 40, which means:
{Those who have been driven out of [Mecca] their home-town without right [of the associaters on them], but only for that they said: "Our Lord is God" c.

And had it not been for that God restrains people: some men by means of others
d, cloisters [of Christians, which are on mountains and in the rural areas], and churches and prayers [would have been forsaken] and [the Muslim places of worship: the] mosques – wherein God's name is mentioned much [in the times of the five prayers every day] would have been destroyed e.

But God will surely help those who help His [cause]; surely God is Most Powerful, All-Mighty.}

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40 c It means: They have no sin against them, but only that they said: “Our god is God, and we do not worship anyone else.” So the associaters considered such words a sin, because they refused to worship their idols.

40 d It means: Had it not that God set the believers on the disbelievers and they killed and terminated them, the disbelief would have prevailed, the prayers and God’s worship forsaken, and the mosques and the places of worship would have been destroyed, as in the following sentence in the aya.

40 e The Jewish places of worship are called the K'nesset or the Synagogue, while Sabaeans call them: Mandi.

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If I were Muslim, I'd not eat the mutton though. A sheep is too cute and mutton is high in cholestorol. Better than most if not all other meats, granted, but still high in cholesterol compared to a vegan diet. I'd be the vegan Muslim if I were Muslim. I imagine I'd stick out like a sore thumb there with my vegan Indian curry or sichuan food.

Of course you are so wise. :)
Of course, it is the cholesterol; while in Muslim communities, you will hide yourself among Muslims.

The cattle is a great blessing from God, and we thank Him for it.

Quran 22: 34, which means:
{We have appointed for each nation a house of worship a, that they may mention God's name on the cattle b which He provides them with.
But [O people] your God is One God [whatever your religions, sects, races and languages may differ], so submit [yourselves] to Him
c [and be Muslims], and give the glad tidings to those d who trust [in God] with sure faith.}
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a In which they may worship God.
b When they sacrifice them.
c i.e. comply with His command and submit yourselves to His religion.
d i.e. whose souls are calm and quiet without any doubt, and whose hearts are reassured with the reward and recompense which God promised to give them in the Next Life.
This word has been explained in the interpretation of the Quran 11: 23.

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/22.htm#a22_34

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All religion evolved from paganism. All religion evolved from it predecessors.

And Abraham was a Sumerian. When Sumer was a major civilization in Mesopotamia, Hebrews were still herding goats in the desert.

You know, but pretend you don't know. Or else all this is your confusion.
 

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Eid al-Adha

Gesundheit !

Tah Hadthak !

I was reminded of this Islamic holiday a few weeks ago and again this morning at coffee at Tim by this local farmer that beside cattle also has some sheep and goats.
Years ago, when it was still allowed he would have to kill the animals in a very specific way for the few Muslims we have here.....
Now he only sells them "on the hoof"

When I was young, we would also butcher animals on the farm during a certain phase of the moon....That must have had a certain basis in religion....waaay back...but I don't know what????

To kill the animal? or to slaughter it and cut the jugular veins to let all blood come out, and the man should mention God's name when he slaughters the cattle.

And what do you eat? Don't you eat the meat of sheep, goat or cow?
Or are you vegetarian, Abul hawa? :lol:

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Yeah, my bad on that too. But still, don't our "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Easter" threads get hijacked with debate? I actually don't recall if they do or not, guess we'll see...

And how many Muslim members do we have? I thought we had only eanassir.

Of course you have occupied Canada and its Canadian forum :laughing6:
 

Machjo

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Any Muslim host would love me! I eat vegan, so I'm not expensive to feed. Hummus will do.

And I don't drink alcohol either. So any alcohol-free vegan dish I cook will be halal.

I cook East Indian, Western, and Sichuan. My wife hates curry and finds Western so so. So if we're together it'll be Sichuan. I hope you like numb and spicy.

My host would certainly find me okay for a non-Muslim.