EI whistleblower suspended without pay

taxslave

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Do they actually go out in the field and investigate?

They have been known to. Also now that you file online people that know far more about computers than me claim they can find out if your report was filed from Canada or not. maybe they can match SIN numbers with boarder police?I guess you could still get your bud to file for you from home though.
 

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They have been known to. Also now that you file online people that know far more about computers than me claim they can find out if your report was filed from Canada or not. maybe they can match SIN numbers with boarder police?I guess you could still get your bud to file for you from home though.

Defrauding the systems comes in many forms.

At some point, the EI admin will look into people that have legnthy (or repeated) EI experiences. Even though one is required to apply for work during the time they are collecting, applying for a job as a neurosurgeon when the experiential background might be in mining would be a red flag in the event that an investigator looked into it.

I still scratch my head on those claimants in some of the East coast (maritime) provinces that can make 6 figures during the lobster fishing season and still qualify for EI when the season closes.
 

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Defrauding the systems comes in many forms.

At some point, the EI admin will look into people that have legnthy (or repeated) EI experiences. Even though one is required to apply for work during the time they are collecting, applying for a job as a neurosurgeon when the experiential background might be in mining would be a red flag in the event that an investigator looked into it.

I still scratch my head on those claimants in some of the East coast (maritime) provinces that can make 6 figures during the lobster fishing season and still qualify for EI when the season closes.

Fishermans EI. probably the last great scam in Canada. Only group that can be self employed and still collect EI. But the numbers can be deceiving. Some of them have boat and license costs come out of that gross pay.
 

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Fishermans EI. probably the last great scam in Canada. Only group that can be self employed and still collect EI. But the numbers can be deceiving. Some of them have boat and license costs come out of that gross pay.


No doubt about the risk side of the equation, but it's odd to have one set of rules for one group and a different set for everyone else
 

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No doubt about the risk side of the equation, but it's odd to have one set of rules for one group and a different set for everyone else

My understanding from when I was somewhat involved with the commercial fleet is that because the feds regulate fisheries openings the fishermen do not have true control of their business like the rest of us theoretically do. This was almost a decade ago so some of the rules have undoubtably changed since then. I think the whole thing was set up to buy votes on the east coast.
Did you know that commercial fish boats pay a far lower moorage rate at government docks than any other commercial boats? About half of what pleasure boats pay.
 

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So, what's the problem then?

You haven't been paying attention? The problem is non-fraudulent claims being denied to meet savings quotas imposed by management.

If she's feeling guilty about things that's her problem.

...Right, why she put her job at risk by going public with the information.
 

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You haven't been paying attention? The problem is non-fraudulent claims being denied to meet savings quotas imposed by management.

... Exactly who gave her the authority to make that judgment call?.. That's right, she gave herself that authority

In fact, I don't recall her saying anything about, or providing any proof therein, relative to the claims she harassed people on being non-fraudulent.... You are making that assumption on her behalf.


...Right, why she put her job at risk by going public with the information.

Went public?.. Let's call it what it was - she anonymously leaked the documents to the CBC and later admitted to it probably when all the fingers were pointing at her.

I suppose that in retrospect, she now understands that she made a very poor decision. First by electing to make public sensitive info that she was bound to keep confidential and second, by being dumb enough to get caught.
 

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Just from the number of people I know that fudge on their EI claims she would not have to deny any legit claims to make her quota. This includes people working for cash, vacationing and working part time and making one EI week out of two part time work weeks.
 

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In fact, I don't recall her saying anything about, or providing any proof therein, relative to the claims she harassed people on being non-fraudulent.... You are making that assumption on her behalf.

Really, so you haven't read anything in the OP. That's exactly what she said. CBC even showed the documents on air.
 

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Really, so you haven't read anything in the OP. That's exactly what she said. CBC even showed the documents on air.

Proof of harassment of non-fraudulent claims... Not if she had copies of the internal documents

You see the conundrum here, right? She has to prove the degree of their legitimacy first and then either move on or take action on any fraudulent claim.

Her job is to hunt down fraudulent claims and take action... She doesn't like that then she should find something else to do that is in line with her conscious
 

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That what she says, right?... It's gotta be true, 'cause she said so - in fact, she was soooo confident in her statements, she 'anonymously' leaked the info to the CBC.

Sorry mate, there's no mutiny on my ship.... String 'im up boys - maybe a touch of the cat might get him to look beyond the simplest solution

I think it's on the record that the government denied there were quotas, and it's on the record, from the leaked documents, that there were quotas.
 

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I think it's on the record that the government denied there were quotas, and it's on the record, from the leaked documents, that there were quotas.

Better define "quota". A quota is a set amount that not achieved would put her job in jepordy whearas a goal would be a target number to reach. depending on how the documents are worded there can be quite a difference.
 

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Better define "quota". A quota is a set amount that not achieved would put her job in jepordy whearas a goal would be a target number to reach. depending on how the documents are worded there can be quite a difference.

Quota is a numerical goal, and the government is on record as calling it a performance indicator. In short, they are playing semantics. If you have a performance indicator for your job that requires you to find $485,000 in fraudulent or ineligible Employment Insurance claims per year, well that sounds exactly like a quota to me.

It's a stupid indicator. A fraud investigator then has financial incentive...do you think this is not rigging the decisions? Can you call the civil servant impartial? Not in my books.
 

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Quota is a numerical goal, and the government is on record as calling it a performance indicator. In short, they are playing semantics. If you have a performance indicator for your job that requires you to find $485,000 in fraudulent or ineligible Employment Insurance claims per year, well that sounds exactly like a quota to me.

It's a stupid indicator. A fraud investigator then has financial incentive...do you think this is not rigging the decisions? Can you call the civil servant impartial? Not in my books.
I would suggest that "quota" is a numerical requirement.

If the department set a target, and some middle-level managers turned it into a hard requirement, I wouldn't be surprised.

Middle management is a curse. It came within an ace of stopping Operation Little Vittles, the single cheapest and most effective piece of Allied diplomacy in the entire Cold War.
 

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Employment insurance whistleblower still seeking justice three years later


Sylvie Therrien considers herself a “bit of a rebel” — someone who doesn’t like being told to keep quiet when she disagrees or feels an injustice is being committed.

So when she was asked to help the government squeeze EI payouts, she refused to quietly play along.

Claiming she was forced by her employer to meet aggressive savings quotas aimed at reducing employment insurance benefits paid to some Canadians in 2013, the EI fraud investigator blew the whistle. And as a result, she lost her job with the federal public service.

In February of that year she leaked information to Montreal’s Le Devoir newspaper showing that she and her colleagues in Service Canada’s Vancouver office, as well as others doing similar work in the department’s western region, were expected to find up to $45,000 each in monthly savings — up to $540,000 each per year.

Her information set off a firestorm in the House of Commons as the NDP and Liberals accused the Conservatives of a witch hunt against EI recipients.

The Conservative government denied the claims, but quickly backtracked, saying the dollar amounts were objectives or “targets” rather than rigid quotas.

Amid the controversy Therrien gained nationwide notoriety.

She received a whistleblower award from a national non-profit group in 2014. Later that year, she was aggressively courted to run for the federal Liberal party.

But nearly three years after coming forward, she’s struggling to pay her bills and fears she may soon have to file for bankruptcy. She has taken a huge financial hit from losing her full-time job. And the divorced single mother (her son has graduated from university) worries she’ll have no savings to support herself when she retires.

As a federal investigator, Therrien made more than $60,000 annually. Now she’s working on call as an education assistant for the francophone school board in B.C.; last year she earned about $25,000.

Therrien lost her job after Service Canada accused her of breaching her employee code of conduct. Service Canada says she wasn’t authorized to divulge protected information, policies and guidelines, or other administrative details to the media or public.

“It was a big shock, being suspended without pay and then losing my job afterward,” she says. “I felt powerless, and in a way betrayed by the system.”

Intrigued by her elevated profile, both the NDP and Liberals approached her in the summer of 2014 with the idea of running in the federal election the following year.

She met several times with Pablo Rodriguez, Quebec co-chair for the Liberals’ 2015 election campaign and the candidate for Honoré-Mercier, a seat he now holds. Rodriguez is close to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, having run the Quebec wing of his leadership campaign.

According to Therrien, Rodriguez told her in a July 2014 meeting that she’d make a great candidate, and that she should run in La Pointe-de-l’Île against the Bloc Québécois’s Mario Beaulieu. Therrien told Rodriguez she saw little chance of success in the Montreal riding, as the Bloc has a strong presence there and Beaulieu (who went on to win) is popular.

Therrien met Trudeau that month for more than an hour at Trudeau’s Montreal office.

He applauded her bravery in the quota case. She explained why it was a bad idea to run in La Pointe-de-l’Île. Trudeau said he understood and that he’d look into a riding switch, she says.

The next day, when she called Rodriguez, he told her he was no longer involved in recruiting her.

According to Therrien, Rodriguez was very angry she’d gone over his head and pressed her case with Trudeau for a different riding. Her dealings with the Liberals abruptly ended.

In an interview, Rodriguez confirmed he spoke to Therrien at the time but said details are confidential. In a statement to the Star, Olivier Duchesneau, a PMO spokesperson, declined to comment specifically on her statements as her dismissal case is before the federal labour board.

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Still being in court would explain why she is at the bankruptcy stage. That is $5,000 more than AISH pays and about $18,000 more than a single person on welfare. She needs help setting up a budget.
 

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EI whistleblower suspended without pay



A federal fraud investigator has been suspended without pay, after she leaked documents showing that investigators had to cut people off their employment insurance benefits in order to meet quotas.

Sylvie Therrien told CBC News that she and other investigators were given a target to recover nearly $500,000 in EI benefits every year.

"It just was against my values, harassing claimants… trying to penalize them in order to save money for the government. We had quotas to meet every month," Therrien said.

Therrien leaked documents to the media anonymously in the spring showing investigators were ordered to find $485,000 in savings each year by denying claims.

The federal government denied that any quotas were in place, but the opposition hammered the Conservatives on the issue.

"Telling investigators that they each had to find half a million in fraud presumes that there is widespread fraud, that they're all a bunch of cheaters and criminals," said NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair in the House of Commons in February.

EI investigators were then called in for questioning themselves to find out who leaked the document.

"Witchhunt terminology. It definitely describes what was happening," said Don Rogers, national president of the Canada Employment and Immigration Union.

"They were trying to find out who had told the media that there were targets to be achieved."

Therrien was questioned by investigators in May. She admitted she was the source of the leak and was suspended without pay.

"I knew my job was in peril. I knew that, but I couldn't continue. I couldn't sleep," she said.

"I was thinking just about those people… I was going to send them and their children into the street… and now here I am on the street."

Therrien suspects she will be fired, but hopes her union and lawyer will back her up in court.

Human Resources Canada would not give any details about Therrien's case. But in a statement, it says all Service Canada employees are bound by a declaration not to go public with government information.

source: EI whistleblower suspended without pay - British Columbia - CBC News


There may be a little skulduggery going on at E.I. My son got laid off for the winter on Nov. 12 and filed right away. After a few weeks went by and no money in sight he inquired. He was told his claim got lost in cyber space and hence there was an additional 44 day waiting period. He eventually did start getting payments and back pay (I presume) but it does make one wonder in this day of computers how this sh*t can happen. Is it just a case of too many incompetent bureaucraps? :)