Earths Expansion and Declining Seas

[Johnnny]

the earth isnt expanding , theres no material being added in giant quantities to make the earth heavy and larger...

Why is land being developed? well like a few said the erosion of calcium secreting animal skeletons is one, volcanism like in hawaii and iceland, and of course iso statsic rebound

I would say that it does but my review by my peers here hasn't agreed. However I believe the global warming scam has been a wholely fabricated and purchased contrivance to stampede the human race into the carbon economy and nothing else but, furthermore I am already aquireing cold weather gear and frost tolerant seeds as well as constructing dug in solar efficient digs.

would you beleiev that global warming has already happened in earths past even without humans, and that quite a few species got extinct during that extinction?

Controlling carbon gases is important

and you guys think i smoke crack

 

[Bar Sinister]

I would say that it does but my review by my peers here hasn't agreed. However I believe the global warming scam has been a wholely fabricated and purchased contrivance to stampede the human race into the carbon economy and nothing else but, furthermore I am already aquireing cold weather gear and frost tolerant seeds as well as constructing dug in solar efficient digs.

Don't forget the aluminum foil hat to protect your brain against alien throught control.

 

[AnnaG]

Doesn't this disprove Global Warming, the melting of the polar ice caps, the inundation of islands and coasts. It could mean just the opposite is happening. :roll:

Um, no, it does not prove any such thing.
Greenland is rising, too. Do you know why? The billions of tons of ice loading it down is melting. Unless you can figure out some way for ice to melt without a rise in temperature, the globe is warming.
Did you actually read and understand what the links in the OP said? It doesn't look like you understood, even if you actually read them.

Interesting that the phenomenon is taking place in tropical regions. The rising of the land is well documented in arctic regions. In fact it is estimated that Hudson's Bay will eventually disappear due to isostatic rebound.

I do question the following statement in the article.
All ancient civilizations evolved in high regions around the world. This fact, and the real reason, has never been addressed by historians.

I am not sure what civilizations are being referred to. Other than the Inca and Mesoamerican civilizations I know of very few that evolved in mountainous regions. In fact the oldest centres of civilization; that of the Fertile Crescent and Egypt took place very close to sea level. The same is true of the civilizations of the Indus Valley and the various river civilizations in China.

Higher regions does not necessarily mean mountainous regions. Mongolia is mostly plateau, for instance, and it's lowest point is about 500 meters above sea level.

I would say that it does but my review by my peers here hasn't agreed. However I believe the global warming scam has been a wholely fabricated and purchased contrivance to stampede the human race into the carbon economy and nothing else but, furthermore I am already aquireing cold weather gear and frost tolerant seeds as well as constructing dug in solar efficient digs.

Don't forget the reflectors and the fiber optic cable so you can grow tomatoes in the basement.

... and the oxygen tanks you'll need as your house rises in elevation and reaches the upper atmosphere.

 

[coldstream]

I would say that it does but my review by my peers here hasn't agreed. However I believe the global warming scam has been a wholely fabricated and purchased contrivance to stampede the human race into the carbon economy and nothing else but, furthermore I am already aquireing cold weather gear and frost tolerant seeds as well as constructing dug in solar efficient digs.

Yes well, i agree with that, especially the underlying economics of reducing the world's productive capability through limits to the essential energy producing element of carbon, which will make a cabal of traders and monetarists very rich, by speculating on carbon credits and playing the productive capacities of one nation against another.

But Anthropecentric Global Warming is an abominable hoax, aimed at producing profit through misery. Only fools believe it these days, living in a fantasy 'green' utopia, pushed by the same group who will profit from it.

It is likely the growth of islands and coastal regions is a direct result of a cyclical cooling phase in the world's climate, which is now starting to bite with avengance and could well last for a couple of centuries or longer.

 

[AnnaG]

Yes well, i agree with that, especially the underlying economics of reducing the world's productive capability through limits to the essential energy producing element of carbon, which will make a cabal of traders and monetarists very rich, by speculating on carbon credits and playing the productive capacities of one nation against another.

So? Out goes the oil barons and in comes the carbon barons. Big deal.

But Anthropecentric Global Warming is an abominable hoax, aimed at producing profit through misery. Only fools believe it these days, living in a fantasy 'green' utopia, pushed by the same group who will profit from it.

That's an opinion. Unfortunately for you, it is contradicted by a lot of evidence to the contrary.

It is likely the growth of islands and coastal regions is a direct result of a cyclical cooling phase in the world's climate, which is now starting to bite with avengance and could well last for a couple of centuries or longer.

There's no evidence of cooling.

You deniers sure have a lot of wishful thinking and demand that everyone accept it as fact when there's little if any evidence supporting it. It's your religion, I think.

 

[MHz]

... and the oxygen tanks you'll need as your house rises in elevation and reaches the upper atmosphere.

I have to admit I never took that into consideration. In one of the recent "How the Earth was Made ...... " programs it stated that maybe the Rockies were at one time 2 miles taller than they are at present. That would also mean the rest on North America (and all other land masses that suffered from 'weathering') also lost at least that much material (mountains tend to be very hard rock and therefore weather slowly)
Where did all the eroded material end up The West Coast drops off fast and the East Coast also except for the shelf off Nfld. The Gulf of Mexico should be silted up if the crust of the Americas have eroded some 10,000 ft over the eons.

 

[AnnaG]

I have to admit I never took that into consideration. In one of the recent "How the Earth was Made ...... " programs it stated that maybe the Rockies were at one time 2 miles taller than they are at present. That would also mean the rest on North America (and all other land masses that suffered from 'weathering') also lost at least that much material (mountains tend to be very hard rock and therefore weather slowly)
Where did all the eroded material end up The West Coast drops off fast and the East Coast also except for the shelf off Nfld. The Gulf of Mexico should be silted up if the crust of the Americas have eroded some 10,000 ft over the eons.

Actually what is happening is that gravity is losing strength and Earth is coming apart at the seems. Soon we'll all be space travellers.

 

[coldstream]

So? Out goes the oil barons and in comes the carbon barons. Big deal.

The oil barons as you call them at least produce something, create wealth and share wealth. The carbon barons, as you call them produce nothing.

The trading houses which are now in control of the world's economy live as parasites, creating shortages and hardships to finance, through extortion, grotesque consumption amongst a small and ever narrowing oligarchy.

That's an opinion. Unfortunately for you, it is contradicted by a lot of evidence to the contrary.

Look around you, Anna, cold winters, damp, wet springs, falling water levels. It's freezing. :smile:

 

[MHz]

the earth isnt expanding , theres no material being added in giant quantities to make the earth heavy and larger...

If the earth loses the ability to shed internal heat at a certain rate then it's temp in the molten regions would increase, anytime matter is heated it expands. The somewhat natural thickening of the crust (rises faster than it erodes) could be like putting on a blanle

 

[AnnaG]

The oil barons as you call them at least produce something, create wealth and share wealth. The carbon barons, as you call them produce nothing.

Really? So nothing has been invented/developed because of GW? You live in an opaque bubble, I think.

The trading houses which are now in control of the world's economy live as parasites, creating shortages and hardships to finance, through extortion, grotesque consumption amongst a small and ever narrowing oligarchy.

That's nothing new.

Look around you, Anna, cold winters, damp, wet springs, falling water levels. It's freezing. :smile:

Warm winter here. February through till end of May was spring here. We've had maybe a week of cloudy and mildly wet weather here lately. You must live in Kitimat.

If the earth loses the ability to shed internal heat at a certain rate then it's temp in the molten regions would increase, anytime matter is heated it expands. The somewhat natural thickening of the crust (rises faster than it erodes) could be like putting on a blanle

Also ground tends to rise as its load is lightened (as is what is happening in Greenland).
So which happens faster and at what rate of change, thermal expansion of liquids (like seawater) or thermal expansion of solids (like rock)?

Earths Expansion and Declining Seas


BTW, the Earth's mass is pretty constant. If the Earth is losing density it is likely the result of becoming warmer. Simply put, mass increases in volume as temperature rises. There's no pressure to speak of (we're in space, not in a place of limited volume).
Where V is volume, T is Temperature, P is pressure and is basically constant(essentially 0), and α is the thermal expansion coefficient.

 

[Tonington]

How is it likely that a global cyclical cooling phase is causing only some islands to remain above sea level?

Seriously, how?

If it's likely, there has to be an explanation for why it's likely, including a causal mechanism. And also note that the oceans are still rising due to thermal expansion. You can't measure the heat stored in oceans by the temperature outside your house in winter. That's nonsense.

 

[darkbeaver]

It's an electric universe, get used to it. Mass is added or subtracted to all planets in the solar system, this is what provides for orbital stability. Mountains can be etched in an afternoon, grand canyons in a day. The suns output is variable it is not constant. Anthropocentric global warming is a fabrication of crooked scientists working for evil bankers.

 

[Tonington]

So why is it only some islands Beaver?

You need a good kick, like a record player caught skipping. Repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat.....BAM

 

[Dexter Sinister]

It's an electric universe, get used to it. Mass is added or subtracted to all planets in the solar system, this is what provides for orbital stability. Mountains can be etched in an afternoon, grand canyons in a day. The suns output is variable it is not constant. Anthropocentric global warming is a fabrication of crooked scientists working for evil bankers.

Pretty impressive DB. Seven major errors of fact in only five sentences.

 

[darkbeaver]

One of us made seven errors but it wasn't me. The electric sun and the universe along with it are proven and I have absolutely no worry about you proving that wrong.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

One of us made seven errors but it wasn't me. The electric sun and the universe along with it are proven and I have absolutely no worry about you proving that wrong.

That's only because you don't understand the physics that proves it wrong.

 

[Bar Sinister]

Higher regions does not necessarily mean mountainous regions. Mongolia is mostly plateau, for instance, and it's lowest point is about 500 meters above sea level.

And did any civilization develop in Mongolia?

There is one I did think of, however - Tiahuanaco in Bolivia at over 4000 meters.

 

[darkbeaver]

That's only because you don't understand the physics that proves it wrong.

There is an awful lot of physics to understand Dexter so your statement could also be made to Hawkings or Einstien both of whom didn't understand the physical world as well as I do. And yes, I have a lot of faith in that, I can cut metal,lift great weights over distance without strings and percolate coffee and kill bugs in the garden with a death ray. You're a religious person Sinister, the science has barely begun there is no revealed scientific monolith/god "the physics" at this time. You're confining your thinking to religious tomes on the subject being a faithful member of the established authority, which historically isn't authoritative at all else we would all still be slaves of dogma, like you, and comfortable in our habits of advancing old age. It's not a crime, it's perfectly natural, nobody thinks any less of you, relax you will be forgiven.:lol:

 

[AnnaG]

It's an electric universe, get used to it. Mass is added or subtracted to all planets in the solar system, this is what provides for orbital stability. Mountains can be etched in an afternoon, grand canyons in a day. The suns output is variable it is not constant. Anthropocentric global warming is a fabrication of crooked scientists working for evil bankers.

lmao That's hilarious. Then all our scientific laws are nonsense along with all the constants (like Avogadro's Number) and you are just a puff of smoke that people can walk through.

 

[Tonington]

Maybe you can comment on another issue of elementary physics beaver? Does shifting islands mean that the seas are declining? Is it not possible to have rising seas, and shifting islands that stay above sea level?