....which made you a die-hard fan I assume?
In that case, if you`d like to officially join my fan club, send an e-mail to my secretary, Das. He will cheerfully take care of you.:smile:
Dying for Nothing
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....which made you a die-hard fan I assume?
In that case, if you`d like to officially join my fan club, send an e-mail to my secretary, Das. He will cheerfully take care of you.:smile:
Nuremburg concluded that just following orders doesn't absolve you of a crime. But German soldiers fighting on the front did not commit any war crimes. Neither have most American soldiers in Iraq.
Soldiers should have no fear of serving their country within the rules of war. The generals found guilty at Nuremburg went beyond the rules of war. But then again, so did the Allied generals. By the end of WW II Generals on both sides were guilty of war crimes.
If Germany had won that war, I'm sure Harris and Churchill would have been charged with war crimes.
Should Bomber Command pilots refused to bomb German civilians?
Side Note 1: You do not need UN approval for a war. The UN is not the one in charge of defining legal and illegal, it has no legal nor moral authority to do so (seriously, its a forum for debate and dialogue not a governing body, look at the members, did you ever approve of letting North Korea have a say in morality?)
Side Note 2.) By perpetrating Genocide all nations were obliged nearly 20 years ago to try Saddam for war crimes, using war if needed. So in terms of a Legal war, as long as that pretext is there (Whether or not thats what the war was "sold" as is irrelevant in this context).
So in no way is this war illegal. A bad idea? one can easily argue that, but illegal and a war crime? No. Would it be illegal if Saddam Hussien had not committed Genocide and other war crimes? Yes.
Side Note 2.) By perpetrating Genocide all nations were obliged nearly 20 years ago to try Saddam for war crimes, using war if needed. So in terms of a Legal war, as long as that pretext is there (Whether or not thats what the war was "sold" as is irrelevant in this context).
So in no way is this war illegal. A bad idea? one can easily argue that, but illegal and a war crime? No. Would it be illegal if Saddam Hussien had not committed Genocide and other war crimes? Yes.
The former Secretary General of the United Nations who is a recognized authority on international law said this:
Can't get much clearer than that. The US signed the UN charter. That means they are obligated to follow it or withdraw from the UN.
Lessons of Iraq war underscore importance of UN Charter - Annan
[SIZE=-1]16 September 2004 [/SIZE]– Secretary-General Kofi Annan believes that the Iraq war in 2003 demonstrated the need for the international community to address the issue of preventive action in the context of Charter principles and showed the importance of joint efforts on matters of use of force, a United Nations spokesman said today.
Responding to media questions about the Secretary-General's comments in a BBC interview, spokesman Fred Eckhard told a press briefing in New York that in his remarks the Secretary-General had reiterated his well-known position that the military action against Iraq was not in conformity with the UN Charter. In the interview, Mr. Annan was repeatedly asked whether the war was "illegal." "Yes," he finally said, "I have indicated it is not in conformity with the UN Charter, from our point of view, and from the Charter point of view it was illegal."...
http://www.un.org/apps/news/storyAr.asp?NewsID=11953&Cr=Iraq&Cr1
Can't get much clearer than that. The US signed the UN charter. That means they are obligated to follow it or withdraw from the UN.
Analysis: Iraq war legality
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/frontpage/4482029.stm
Also this statement:
Iraq claimed they were disarmed. UNMOVIC found minor technical violations and were dealing with those issues. When the US attacked Iraq, Hans Blix just finished making this statement:
10 days later Bush made this speech:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/frontpage/4482029.stm
Also this statement:
Iraq claimed they were disarmed. UNMOVIC found minor technical violations and were dealing with those issues. When the US attacked Iraq, Hans Blix just finished making this statement:
10 days later Bush made this speech:
Eventually even Bush had to admit Iraq did not possess WMDs or links to al Qaeda.
There is no evidence that 69% of the sheeple have wised up yet.
There is no evidence that 69% of the sheeple have wised up yet.
Wised up to what....that Paris Hilton has found God while imprisoned for the last week? *smile*
If you had told me the job involved working I would have asked for more money
A boom in my fan club since arriving here?;-)
Hey Das....one day you`ll get somewhere in life. Stick around young man.
Opportunities abound!....now shuddup an keep taking orders....:-|
You also have competition......from bots.....You want me to complain to management that automation is stealing your thunder?????
S
Is that that CBC/Reuters stuff I keep seeing flooding the board every now and then?
Bahh!!
Look for the `JBeee' symbol if you want the real story.;-)
Exactly my point. Thank you!
Here's a formula which describes the process:
If input equals garbage, then output equals garbage.
The news typically is meaningless infotainment in order to divert attention from what's going on. But when events are too big too ignore, the news becomes manipulating propaganda. The result is 69% of the people can't tell $hit from Shinola and live in a world isolated from reality.
For example, while the News was covering this event for weeks to the exclusion of everything else:
Here are some other events the sheeple might have missed:
Our news is sort of like the movie, The Wizard of Oz:
Earth as one
The victor writes the history books and the "rules of war"...and the entitlements....
The United States exterminated hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians burning virtually all Japanese cities with incendiaries with night after night of bombardment... Robert S. McNamara has admitted that if the Japaese had won WWII the American administration would have been tried as war criminals and by any metric of justice...would have been found guilty of crimes against humanity.
The inconsisencies of the American policy of ambivalence toward chemical warfare is a glaring example of hypocrisy and double-talk. After phosgene and mustard gas were used in WWI, "civilized" nations of the world decided that chemical weapns and chemical warfare were simply too devastating to the planet at large to be sanctioned as appropriate military instruments...
Then the United States toxified the soils of North Vietnam and the rationale used was that it wasn't their "intent" to promote the use of chemical warfare but simply a means to an end...
When the American ally Iraq faced potential defeat at the hands of the Iranian forces, it was the United States that supplied the Republican Guard and the Iraqi military with the WMDs that became the lynchpin for the rationale of invading Iraq.
We now live in a world where a fanatic can convince a cadre of adherents that highjacking a few domestic aircraft and crashing them into buildings is an appropriate expression of the Islamic Jihad... We live in a world where anthrax mailed to American political mandarins...came from the U.S. Army's biochemical weapons laboratories within the United States.
We live in a world where the United States feels it's now appropriate to proliferate missiles around the border of the Russian republic when but a few years ago the United States was prepared to go to war to prevent Russia from placing missiles in Cuba.....
Unless the people of the free-world get their governments in order and begin to hold their elected representatives accountable for their behaviour...dying for nothing isn't the name of the game at all.
Democratic societies should demand that their governments pass laws that require the sons and daughters of the wealthy to serve in our nations military. It sould be the first choice among the people of these democracies to witness how available the wealthy and the powerful are to be the first to sacrifice their children to their families' greed and vie for power and control....
Of course this kind of challenge is extreme right..?
And of course would never come about because...well we all embrace the myth that we live in societies where our voices have meaning....
We don't.
Our voices have been silenced and with our silent willing approval our democracies and our societies are handed over to the bloodletters and the shamans of the new ideology.
The victor writes the history books and the "rules of war"...and the entitlements....
The United States exterminated hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians burning virtually all Japanese cities with incendiaries with night after night of bombardment... Robert S. McNamara has admitted that if the Japaese had won WWII the American administration would have been tried as war criminals and by any metric of justice...would have been found guilty of crimes against humanity.
The inconsisencies of the American policy of ambivalence toward chemical warfare is a glaring example of hypocrisy and double-talk. After phosgene and mustard gas were used in WWI, "civilized" nations of the world decided that chemical weapns and chemical warfare were simply too devastating to the planet at large to be sanctioned as appropriate military instruments...
Then the United States toxified the soils of North Vietnam and the rationale used was that it wasn't their "intent" to promote the use of chemical warfare but simply a means to an end...
When the American ally Iraq faced potential defeat at the hands of the Iranian forces, it was the United States that supplied the Republican Guard and the Iraqi military with the WMDs that became the lynchpin for the rationale of invading Iraq.
We now live in a world where a fanatic can convince a cadre of adherents that highjacking a few domestic aircraft and crashing them into buildings is an appropriate expression of the Islamic Jihad... We live in a world where anthrax mailed to American political mandarins...came from the U.S. Army's biochemical weapons laboratories within the United States.
We live in a world where the United States feels it's now appropriate to proliferate missiles around the border of the Russian republic when but a few years ago the United States was prepared to go to war to prevent Russia from placing missiles in Cuba.....
Unless the people of the free-world get their governments in order and begin to hold their elected representatives accountable for their behaviour...dying for nothing isn't the name of the game at all.
Democratic societies should demand that their governments pass laws that require the sons and daughters of the wealthy to serve in our nations military. It sould be the first choice among the people of these democracies to witness how available the wealthy and the powerful are to be the first to sacrifice their children to their families' greed and vie for power and control....
Of course this kind of challenge is extreme right..?
And of course would never come about because...well we all embrace the myth that we live in societies where our voices have meaning....
We don't.
Our voices have been silenced and with our silent willing approval our democracies and our societies are handed over to the bloodletters and the shamans of the new ideology.
But the less we participate in unidirectional media, like TV, movies, radio... and the more we interact with each other directly through the internet like this forum, the less power propaganda has.
Now I can reach out and touch someone's mind in Lebanon while Israel was bombing it:
http://beirutundersiege.blogspot.com/2006/07/beirut-july-13-2006.html
All the pages here:
http://beirutundersiege.blogspot.com/
Now I can reach out and touch someone's mind in Lebanon while Israel was bombing it:
http://beirutundersiege.blogspot.com/2006/07/beirut-july-13-2006.html
All the pages here:
http://beirutundersiege.blogspot.com/
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Not like the good ole days before all the do-gooders wanted to change from a contact sport to ballerinas-on-ice