The original climategate stuff was easily debunked.
6. Climate Change -- Those hacked e-mails - YouTube
Durban Climate Change Conference 2011
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The original climategate stuff was easily debunked.
6. Climate Change -- Those hacked e-mails - YouTube
I assumed it was the EU which would be bragging. I guess the 'you' may have made it seem personal. My appologies.
If they were that reliant they would fight over more than 2% of our exports.
By your logic, the U.S. needs all 98% of our exports just to survive.
Ahh the science-challenged love doing the hokey pokey. There's always going to be some places warmer and some places colder. I guess by this logic you cannot have a fever if your right hand is stuck in a glass of ice water? Yah, that makes a lot of sense 8O Well, since some people have such a difficult time with the concept of themometers, how about:
Sea level rising
Glaciers melting
Ice caps receding
Atmospheric water vapour increasing
Temperate species migrating north
Flowers blooming earlier
Anadromous fish migrating earlier
Diurnal temperature variation decreasing
Ocean heat content increasing
But I guess all that is meaningless when Phoenix Arizona has a cold winter. That contradicts everything! 8O
And it's warmer in Regina than Vancouver and even Austin TX today. Must be global warming too. :shock:
There are environmentalists/newspapers/politicians that say this too, and they are equally wrong.
No, you're a conspiricist when you continue to believe there is fraud and cover-up when there is no evidence of fraud or cover-up. It's the same thing Truthers do, the same thing Birthers do, the same thing that those denying we visited the moon do... :roll:
The panel...perhaps you guys missed it, but I linked to multiple inquiries and panels. You actually believe that the validity of established physics is dependent on emails, that's cute.
In my view the issue is not about the environment at all. It is really about the
redistribution of wealth from the rich industrialized countries to the third world.
Cap and trade, the carbon credit industry and and all those hangers on will
consume any environmental value there is out there.
I for one am not prepared to give up our place in the world anymore than we
already have. We owe it to our kids and grand kids to protect our interests
when it comes to continued development. We have all the resources and the
expertise to manufacture and there is no way we should submit to world opinion
or domination by people who want our resources, and our wealth for their benefit.
I say enough is enough. I am not much of a fan of Mr. Harper or his government
but if he puts this thing out of it misery by pulling out, I will give him full marks
on the issue.
Its time Canada and Canadians took control of our own destiny.
redistribution of wealth from the rich industrialized countries to the third world.
Cap and trade, the carbon credit industry and and all those hangers on will
consume any environmental value there is out there.
I for one am not prepared to give up our place in the world anymore than we
already have. We owe it to our kids and grand kids to protect our interests
when it comes to continued development. We have all the resources and the
expertise to manufacture and there is no way we should submit to world opinion
or domination by people who want our resources, and our wealth for their benefit.
I say enough is enough. I am not much of a fan of Mr. Harper or his government
but if he puts this thing out of it misery by pulling out, I will give him full marks
on the issue.
Its time Canada and Canadians took control of our own destiny.
Pulling out of what? Kyoto? Any legal obligation? Ignoring the science altogether?
In any case, you might be getting your wish.
We are now the laughing stock on an international stage.
Low profile in Durban relegates Canada to margins of climate debate
Wander through the underground parking garage where dozens of countries have their offices at the Durban climate summit, and you’ll find the doors open and the delegates friendly – except when you reach the Canadian government office. There the door is closed and a sign says: “Authorized personnel only.”
While other countries have set up pavilions and exhibitions in Durban to promote their climate policies, Canada is missing in action. Other countries, even heavy polluters such as China and the United States, are organizing panels and speaking daily to the world’s media at the conference. Canada is nearly invisible, except for a tightly restricted briefing to a handful of Canadian media in a small hotel room, more than a kilometre from the conference site, where Environment Minister Peter Kent issues his daily statements.
Members of Parliament at the Durban summit, including Green Party Leader Elizabeth May and deputy NDP environment critic Laurin Liu, have been barred from Mr. Kent’s daily briefings. They were also refused accreditation in Canada’s delegation at Durban, forcing them to seek accreditation from other countries, such as Papua New Guinea.
It’s all part of the Harper government’s policy of tight control of its message. But in an era where Canada is seen as an environmental pariah, and when there is global controversy over Canada’s heavily polluting oil sands, it means that Canada is relegated to the margins of the Durban debate, leaving the field to its critics. And the critics are vocal – not just environmental activists, but also diplomats and negotiators from other countries. Even China has criticized Canada, complaining that it is setting a bad example with its reported plan to pull out of the Kyoto treaty.
Canada has tried to promote the oil sands as the “ethical oil” option. But it cannot make that argument if it is silent. And while other countries have pavilions and video messages, Canada and its oil producers don’t even have a small booth in the Durban exhibition centre, let alone a pavilion.
Unlike the United States and other countries, Canada is making no effort at “public diplomacy” here. It has a much more visible presence at African mining conferences than it does at the Durban summit, even though Canada has a plethora of the green-technology companies that could be promoted at the summit.
Canada’s invisibility at the summit suggests that it is ashamed of its climate stand, critics say. “They’re going into hiding,” said Montreal-based environmentalist Steven Guilbeault, who has attended most UN climate negotiations for the past 15 years. “They want as little public scrutiny as possible.”
While Canada remains low profile, its reputation is taking a beating. South African leaders, including Archbishop Desmond Tutu, have accused Canada of abandoning the moral leadership that it took in the 1980s when it fought the apartheid system. “It’s incurring diplomatic damage that will take years to repair,” said Radoslav Dimitrov, a Canadian professor and member of the European Union delegation at Durban.
By keeping a low profile and sticking stubbornly to its opposition to Kyoto, Canada is becoming irrelevant at the talks, Mr. Dimitrov said. “We’re sidelined, and they don’t take us seriously any more. Many countries have stopped perceiving Canada as a negotiating partner. In European Union meetings, we don’t even mention Canada any more.”
Canada was subjected to more bad publicity on Tuesday in the latest index of climate-change performance, released by a German environmental group. It showed that Canada is ranked 54th out of 61 countries in the index on carbon emissions and climate policies.
Low profile in Durban relegates Canada to margins of climate debate - The Globe and Mail
Maybe the international stage that you watch, but for the most part, people in general are too busy worrying about helicopter rides and rinks with Zambonis to worry about that stuff.
Were the emails forgeries?
Not to mention the tide isn't any higher than it ever was.
How many cities are under water?
The quotes were taken out of context.
Seriously, watch that vid I posted. It's pretty thorough.