Drunk Driver Murders 4 year old child - Sentence- 2 1/2 Years Jail

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Are you guys nuts? This thread was started with the whining of how someone who killed a kid got insufficient sentence.

I was just saying - if said sentence was inappropriate and/or insufficient - how to improve/correct/fix that.
 

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I apologize for rambling.

Normally Russians complain about that one, although Japanese do not.

I mean, come one... what am I supposed to do?

Pinch my thoughts into an inch?
 

shadowshiv

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I apologize for rambling.

Normally Russians complain about that more.

I mean, come one... what am I supposed to do?

Pinch my thoughts into an inch?

Why are you apologizing again? In my previous post I said that you had posted in the correct thread, and I gave my reason as to why I found your post confusing.

I apologize for rambling.

Normally Russians complain about that one, although Japanese do not.

I mean, come one... what am I supposed to do?

Pinch my thoughts into an inch?

Everyone rambles at one point or another in their life, which is why I said it was no biggie.:)
 

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Which thread should I have been posting to?

But since we're here and let me give you some business advice. If ever doing deals with Russians, the most suicidal thing you can do is ask them "why?"

To them, you're an idiot if you don't have the sense to see the requirements and just follow orders.

These guys will mush the tar out of Harvard MBAs unless said Harvard MBAs are capable of seeing a global picture beyond their Armani suits into a realm where a few elite destroy the planet in order to take a spaceship to another planet or as a second-option take over New Zealand.

I could never figure out why anyone would want to "free enterprise/capitalize" China and the Soviet Union.

All it was going to do was make more gas-burning cars to drive the price up, and would only accelerate the degradation of the planet, etc. etc. bla bla bla.

Obviously the economic structure and the training principals of MBAs is on the side of Lucifer, leading to how God said if you keep going the way you are, then it will result in Armageddon, but, you read the original texts where it said how to avoid that in order to have a stable planet with middle class all the way to every border, you wouldn't be afraid now.
 
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jjaycee98

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I think we need to start at the beginning and figure out what our our justice system is supposed to be and do. Is it to deter crime? Is it to protect the population? Is it to punish the the perpetrator? Is it to rehabilitate the perpetrator? One needs to decide on this before one can decide on whether the courts actions were right or wrong

Number one should be to deter crime IMO. When you can use the fact that you were drunk as a defense, it encourages the law breaker.

In Red Deer, AB the parents for 3 children were killed by a 21 year old drunk driver. The Court gave him 2 1/2 years. Supreme Court of Alberta gave him one extra year. 3 1/2 years for making 3 kids orghans.

Courts tend to look at the earning power of the victim-at the time of death-not for the life expectancy. A child has in the past records, had little monetary value.
 

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Number one should be to deter crime IMO. When you can use the fact that you were drunk as a defense, it encourages the law breaker.

In Red Deer, AB the parents for 3 children were killed by a 21 year old drunk driver. The Court gave him 2 1/2 years. Supreme Court of Alberta gave him one extra year. 3 1/2 years for making 3 kids orghans.

Courts tend to look at the earning power of the victim-at the time of death-not for the life expectancy. A child has in the past records, had little monetary value.

What are "orghans"? Is that a mutation?
 

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He planned to kill this girl or it was manslaughter and not murder?

I would say getting into a car drunk counts as pre-meditation. But I am neither a lawyer or a politition and I don't even play on on TV. Also didn't stay at a Holiday Inn express last night.

But legally, I think they can ask for 14 years and it counts the same as 2nd degree murder (with intent).
 

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I would say getting into a car drunk counts as pre-meditation. But I am neither a lawyer or a politition and I don't even play on on TV. Also didn't stay at a Holiday Inn express last night.

But legally, I think they can ask for 14 years and it counts the same as 2nd degree murder (with intent).

It's interesting that a person can be held accountable for their decision to drive drunk but a woman can't be held accountable for her decision to have sex.

I think the issue of criminal acts committed while drunk is not going to go away for a while.

Canadian judge accepts 'too drunk' defense - UPI.com

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What a piece of crap! No remorse or compassion or any concern except for her own skin.

B.C. driver who killed 4-year-old appeals conviction - British Columbia - CBC News

Her lawyer has to be among the lowest of the low!

Its his/her job to get her client the absolute minimum sentence. The lowest of the low is the judge that grants it.

It's interesting that a person can be held accountable for their decision to drive drunk but a woman can't be held accountable for her decision to have sex.

I think the issue of criminal acts committed while drunk is not going to go away for a while.

Canadian judge accepts 'too drunk' defense - UPI.com

rape legal definition of rape. rape synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

Thats discusting. Too drunk a consitutional right? What horse****. Of course the solution is to get yourself plastered and kill the mother ****er yourself.
 

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Its his/her job to get her client the absolute minimum sentence. The lowest of the low is the judge that grants it.

That was the good part about the law of the old West, litigant, plaintiff, prosecutor, lawyer, judge and executioner all same person and if you were a bad bastard....................................TOO BAD!
 

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Thats discusting. Too drunk a consitutional right? What horse****. Of course the solution is to get yourself plastered and kill the mother ****er yourself.

There is no law in Canada against getting drunk. The law says you need to have intent. From a legal perspective, it's really hard to formulate intent once ones level of inebriation reaches upper levels. What is the solution? Make drinking illegal? Remove the concept of intent? What do you suggest?
 

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There is no law in Canada against getting drunk. The law says you need to have intent. From a legal perspective, it's really hard to formulate intent once ones level of inebriation reaches upper levels. What is the solution? Make drinking illegal? Remove the concept of intent? What do you suggest?

Sentence to the max - 14 years - Make them consecutive
 

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A person convicted of DD causing death - the max is 14 years in jail.

I thought your previous post was quite clear. Actually while I agree with that somewhat, I think I have a better solution. If you get caught driving with over 0.05 (accident or not) you do 7 years in the slammer. That would pretty well put an end to it once and for all.
 

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A person convicted of DD causing death - the max is 14 years in jail.

I'm aware of that but the post you quoted was talking about the concept of "intent". If you are going to ignore that aspect of it, can I assume you think intent is irrelevant?
 

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I'm aware of that but the post you quoted was talking about the concept of "intent". If you are going to ignore that aspect of it, can I assume you think intent is irrelevant?

Do people not know what the impact of drunk driving causes. How it impairs ability, judgment etc. The defense of I was so drunk i did not know what I was doing was dismissed by the SCOC years ago.

Also Prov can implement what BC has done. They were about to cancel it due to pressure from the Restaurant Industry - But deaths for DD have been cut in half.
 

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Do people not know what the impact of drunk driving causes.

When they are drunk, who knows. That's the issue. Are you suggesting that drunk people always make proper decisions.


The defense of I was so drunk i did not know what I was doing was dismissed by the SCOC years ago.

Not when it comes to women having sex. Apparently, they can't consent to sex if they are too drunk. Besides, I've already posted a link that refutes that statement (see post 89)
 

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When they are drunk, who knows. That's the issue. Are you suggesting that drunk people always make proper decisions.




Not when it comes to women having sex. Apparently, they can't consent to sex if they are too drunk. Besides, I've already posted a link that refutes that statement (see post 89)

No I did not state such. I brought to your attention a ruling from the SCOC that I was to drunk to know cannot be used as a defense.