Dream GOP Candidate for Obama in 2012?
- Thread starter Bar Sinister
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Pick one or pick them all. All it takes is one popular person to run and no matter what party they identify with they will win not the party.
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Or we can always resort to trowing out the party system and try something else, were not locked in to anything.
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Or we can always resort to trowing out the party system and try something else, were not locked in to anything.
I know there are other parties in USA, ironsides, but they are not even bit players, they are not even on the radar. I think the biggest party after Democrats and Republicans would be the Libertarian Party, I don’t think they have ever won a seat in the Congress.
For that matter, Republican Party was preceded by what, Whig party? I think Whigs morphed into the Republican Party. So a major realignment is not impossible, but it is highly unlikely. The cards are stacked heavily against smaller parties, I think much more so than when Whigs morphed into Republicans.
As to independents, when were independents ever elected in substantial numbers? You may see an independent here and there. There is a Senator from Vermont; there was Jesse Ventura, etc. Once in a while an independent gets elected. And independents really cannot have much of an impact on the politics, since they are not united with a purpose (they don’t belong to a party).
So independents can be ruled out. In fact, in none of the democracies are independents a significant force. In Canada, parties are destroyed and form with much greater frequency than in USA, but even here independents do not count.
So I really don’t see any alternative to Democrats and Republicans.
No party has a lock on anything at the moment, both are floundering around looking for a viable candidate who will do what the people want, not what some party member wants. There is where the weakness is with the Democrats and President Obama. They have to learn that it is what the majority of U.S. citizens want, not what they or the world might think we want. If the system is broken, it is because we have been trying to follow old European style governments. All you have to do is look at what is happening in Europe now the union is going to collapse, it will not be able to keep all the countries on the verge of bankruptcy from collapsing Spain is going to be the breaking point. In answer to your question, it will be either a (in name only) Democrat or Republican running with truly new ideas. If not it does not really matter who wins.
Ok, maybe a little broken. :smile:
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Guess the passenger didn't want Mitt Romney to run for President. Someone just took their politics' to seriously.
Former Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney experienced some turbulence on a plane that was to carry him and his wife from the Vancouver Olympics to Los Angeles.
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Former Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney experienced some turbulence on a plane that was to carry him and his wife from the Vancouver Olympics to Los Angeles.
Mitt Romney Physically Assaulted on Plane
Certainly it is broken, ironsides. What do you think will be the outcome of 2010 elections? It is going to be either Democrats retain control of Congress with a reduced majority or Republicans win control of the Congress.
Do you think either of these outcomes is going to change anything? Not a chance, it will be business as usual, with total gridlock.
The only hope I see down the line is that when Republicans get control of the senate, they will get rid of the filibuster. And all the conservatives in this forum who are trying to convince us how filibuster is the greatest thing since sliced bread, will suddenly discover that filibuster is a huge obstacle in the process of good governance, is an outmoded custom and must be got rid of. They have to tow the party line, after all.
Once the filibuster is abolished, there may be hope. But I don’t see democrats abolishing it, Republicans will have to do it (they almost did it the last time they had control of Senate).
The one important thing that might happen is that one party or another will stop all this talk of taxing everybody. If they want to stay on the job. Were getting more of a tax revolt than this being a bad Dem or bad Rep.. I'm not sure the republicans will get rid of the filibuster if they can, if I remember right, they used it most in the past.
This is where Mitt should have minded his own business. Telling the passenger in front of him to move his seat up is not his responsibility and in the big scheme of things what is the big deal? Granted I was never part of a flight crew but I've never heard of a plane going down because a seat was moved forward into the upright position. I would imagine it is a egress issue.
let the flight crew do their job Mitt!
If Palin isn't going to run or not nominated who will it be?
I have trouble thinking of one person in that party who could beat a sitting president no matter how much of a failure he is.
Kerry was the best the dumbocrats could get to run against one of the biggest failures to ever sit in the Oval office and look what happened.
All the smart people avoid politics it seems.
I have trouble thinking of one person in that party who could beat a sitting president no matter how much of a failure he is.
Kerry was the best the dumbocrats could get to run against one of the biggest failures to ever sit in the Oval office and look what happened.
All the smart people avoid politics it seems.
We still have 2.5 years to come up with someone to run against President Obama. Palin may run as a spoiler like Nader did, either way she is out.
You people need a tax revolt like you need a hole in the head. What do you think will happen to the budget deficit if there is a tax revolt and tax revenues plunge all of a sudden? If USA defaults on the loans and stocks markets plunge several thousand points as a result, that will really start USA's slide down to a third world country.
Quite so. The economy has be absolutely in the tank for a sitting president to be defeated, as happened in 1980 and 1992. If the economy is putting up a lacklustre performance, if it is just chugging along, still the incumbant is very difficult to beat.
Never said a tax revolt, just no more new taxes till home values and decent jobs start to appear. An engineer who lost his job and is now working at Burger King is not what I count as finding new employment (Obama admin. counts that as a success). Our government is supposed to be of the people, for the people, by the people. Congress and the President seem to think they are above the people NOT of the people. They need a wake up call to reality. I do know that who ever can get the following Amendment passed could almost certainly guarantee him or herself a full two terms in office.
Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution:
"Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of
the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or
Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the
Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the
citizens of the United States".
You did mention tax revolt ironsides (refer to your post #314). As to no new taxes, I doubt anybody is imposing new taxes. There is however, the question of renewing the disastrous Bush tax cuts, which expire soon (next year?). If lawmakers have any sense at all, they won’t renew the tax cuts. The tax cuts are what started the whole nonsense in the first place (of sky high, mushrooming deficits).
I think the policy should be no new taxes (harmful to the economy), no more tax cuts (harmful to the budget deficit) until the economy is sorted out.
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How about taxing people who have money and stop wasting money on things people don't want to pay for like wars.
Hey, it is your country EagleSmack; you can do what you want with it. If people vote huge tax cuts to themselves, budget deficit balloons even more as a result, USA defaults the loans because it cannot pay back the loans due to reduced tax revenues (because of tax cuts), that is really your problem, what is it to me?
Incidentally, I think tea party activists want tax cuts (I don’t think they are particularly bothered about budget deficit, it is the typical far right view). If many tea party politicians get elected this year and they enact huge tax cuts when they come in, that is when the fun will really begin.
So if enacting huge tax cuts (which usually disproportionately favour the rich) is your way of asking government to be more responsible by all means, go for it.