Don't let political, economic upheaval cloud hope for future, GG tells Canadians

[Francis2004]

Depends on your interpretation of the numbers.

Your quite right...

Unless math has changed significantly since I went to school the cons got over 20% more votes than the Libs and double the NDP. So clearly more people voted for the cons than any other party.

Perhaps they voted more for the Cons but not in a Majority. If truly the numbers had been significant enough a Majority would have been achieved their goal. Besides if you add up the coalition numbers they form a larger amount of members of Parliament, which as discussed many times is who you are really voting for.. Your MP not the party..

Then there are the 40% or so that are so happy with Harper that they didn't even bother to vote.

Perspective I guess.. I would prefer to think it was more voter Apathy and would not give any politician that much credit.. If you take the US election as an example the Democrats proved that apathy of the past worked on their side and not the conservative side when they came out to vote..

Now if the Libs and the NDP were to desolve them selves and form one new party I would say they were in the majority.

Unlikely I agree..

This is rather unlikely to happen and a coalition of the kind they were proposing is unlikely to have any better success at governing than Harper has for four years.

But stranger things have happened. But again I agree the coalition would not last.

Perhaps we should just fire all of them since all seem more interested in power than in looking after taxpayers interests.

Sure and put who in power. The problem is always who are the alternatives ?

We will never be content with the people in power.. That is just the way politics and Canadians are..

 

[Francis2004]

Income tax doesn't go down. Deductions and benefits get rearranged, however. I know a lot of seniors who are happy with what the Cons did for them so far. And I am happy that the Cons have managed to reverse the direction of the debt clock which is something I've never seen Glibs or ND Pussies do. (That means gov't is spending a lot less money on covering debt interest and more on spending on the country.)
Gas prices (et al) are contrilled by individual stations and oil companies (et al), not gov'ts.

That's funny my 82 going on 83 year old handicapped Father Income Tax Bill went UP last year.. He lives on a Veterans pension... Please tell me how GREAT Harper is helping Seniors ?

As to the Oil and Gas Companies and individual stations.. There is a thing called a Law that states they must collect the GST and hence should reduce the GST.. But oddly enough on the day both GST Deductions came in effect the said so companies happened to Increase Gas prices.. Give me a BREAK..

 

[L Gilbert]

Never said they're saints.... but they're sure as hell a lot better then that ass clown prime minister we have now and have been the only ones to actually attempt to present some kind of a plan to solve most of the more concerning problems.

lmao First you snivel that Harper doesn't tell the press or Canadians what he is doing or wants to do and now you ASSume he doesn't have any plans because he doe4sn't say much. Hilarious.

And maybe why you feel no-one ever has got the job done is because you're used to seeing the last number of years with the Conservatives in power who have done absolutely nothing while in power.

roflmao Wrong as usual. It isn't just the Cons. It's the entire batch of PMs since I was hatched.
And again - roflmao "done absolutely nothing while in power" Jack’s Newswatch |  Harper Gov’t Accomplishments

Some people are easily sucked into routine for security purposes.

Possibly. In my case, however, it's because I am simply used to the various parties being groups of self-serving, self righteous, bombastic morons.

And now the tables are turning and the majority is the coalition..... unless Harper sucks up his pride and does what they demand he does.

..... instead of doing what is good for Canada. I know. Iggy, Lameton, etc. are no better than Harper.

You clearly have no clue what occurs to me since I never claimed or referenced any of them as saints or demons.

Not verbally but you sure imply it.

Because Harper delayed our government just before the non-confidence like the little chicken-sh*t power monger he is.

Ah, now if you can add that appelation to all the other pols like Iggy, Lameton, etc. you'd have the general idea of politics in Canada.

We can loop this all you like, it changes nothing.

Nope, it doesn't. The Cons are the clowns that we are stuck with at the moment. Someone else might get in and they will be the clown du jour and it goes on and on and on.

I know sarcasm when I read/see it.... that doesn't mean I still won't take the comments down a notch or two.

You will lower your comments even further? lmao It doesn't surprise me.

Like what? Normally when someone makes a statement like that, they provide examples to back it up.

I have posted it many times if you bother to take your blinders off.

As have I.

Why didn't you say that then instead of singling out anyone?

Yeah I get it fully.... the GG represents the queen, which means they're supposed to be trained and educated in the processes of this democracy so that they can make the appropreate decisions that would be similar to what the Queen would decide..... so that the Queen doesn't have to run all over the Commonwealth to make everybody aware of what she wants.

We haven't heard the Queen grumbling about what the GG did.

That doesn't mean the system is flawless, nor does it mean GG's are always in constant contact with the Queen.

Nope. But we can't be sure she didn't simply relay the Queen's wishes. Yet you leap to the ASSumption that she didn't do her job.

And if her decision of Proroguing our government was what the Queen would have wanted..... how come former GG's claimed that she shouldn't have done this and explained why very clearly as I shown above?

Maybe because they are different people than the GG we have now?

Funny how everybody is avoiding that. :roll:

Perhaps no-one mentioned it before. Doesn't bother me because I haven't seen mention of it till now, so I am not avoiding it.

 

[L Gilbert]

Harper directly stated this in his little pow wow with the nation, as well as in Parliament, calling it.....

and I quote:

"illegal grab for power through the back door."

Why would anybody claim that?

I don't know, you tell me since you support the guy who said it.

Wrong again, Pilgrim. I don't support anyone federally except Indies. Besides I asked you first since you claim to know whether Harper has done anything or not.

 

[L Gilbert]

I don't believe in God and I sure don't believe in the Devil...... and if I did, Bush would be on the top of the list for playing the Devil role

That doesn't look like Bush. You can't fool me on that.

 

[L Gilbert]

That's funny my 82 going on 83 year old handicapped Father Income Tax Bill went UP last year.. He lives on a Veterans pension... Please tell me how GREAT Harper is helping Seniors ?

As to the Oil and Gas Companies and individual stations.. There is a thing called a Law that states they must collect the GST and hence should reduce the GST.. But oddly enough on the day both GST Deductions came in effect the said so companies happened to Increase Gas prices.. Give me a BREAK..

roflmao
Sorry but if you think gov't dictates the prices of things, there's no hope for you. Um, show me this law that says individual stations and oil companies can reduce GST, please.

 

[L Gilbert]

We will never be content with the people in power.. That is just the way politics and Canadians are..

... and for good reason. We constantly elect duds and culls.

 

[Francis2004]

roflmao
Sorry but if you think gov't dictates the prices of things, there's no hope for you. Um, show me this law that says individual stations and oil companies can reduce GST, please.

You cannot dictate the price of things but do you not it odd that prices go up exactly the same amount as the GST drops ?

If not then I give up. Actually I give up now.. Here is the link to the GST requirements and have fun..

Business records

 

[L Gilbert]

You cannot dictate the price of things but do you not it odd that prices go up exactly the same amount as the GST drops ?
If not then I give up. Actually I give up now.. Here is the link to the GST requirements and have fun..

Business records

I don't really find it odd that prices go up when GST drops. And I am not surprised either, that oil companies and stations jack up prices whenever GST drops. They do it arbitrarily so why would they not jack up prices when they see a logical opportunity to do so?
Read the stuff in your link and didn't see anywhere that the oil companies have the power to reduce GST; only that they collect it and forward it to gov't.
But I see what you mean, now. But I have to explain that the GST is a fixed percentage of the price. If the gov't reduces the GST there is nothing around that says the companies won't up the price to compensate for the drop in GST percentage. They are greedy, you see.

 

[Tyr]

"This past year came to a close with the announcement of a global recession, one from which we are not immune, while an unprecedented political crisis shook the country."

The Governor General herself played a pivotal role in the political upheaval that gripped the country earlier this month.

Considering that the GG was part and parcel of the abduction of our parliment and she has the political wherewithal of navel lint, I don't put alot of faith in what she has to say.

If she wants to have a stand where the majority of Canadians would want to hear what she has to say, how about stepping down and abolishing the GG "institution". Canada hasn't been a "colony" for 140 yrs

 

[Francis2004]

Considering that the GG was part and parcel of the abduction of our parliment and she has the political wherewithal of navel lint, I don't put alot of faith in what she has to say.

If she wants to have a stand where the majority of Canadians would want to hear what she has to say, how about stepping down and abolishing the GG "institution". Canada hasn't been a "colony" for 140 yrs

Tyr, while I agree that the GG usually has not much say in our system she may have done the system some good.. Prorogation of Parliament was at Harper's request. Let us review the options..

1) An Election had just happened less then 30 days prior ( 300 Million wasted to elect another minority )
2) It did not change Government right away and forced a coalition to stay stable if they were to remain as is.
3) On The official opposition, while in no financial position to do a Leadership review and another Election, had time to change leaders in a Legal manner.
4) The Government was forced to finally admit a deficit and recession as well as adjust a budget that will finally have a chance to defeat if it does not address the economy properly..

However we will not have had an Election during the Holidays with dire economic news thrown in.

As I have said I think Harper did himself in more then anyone else by asking for this Prorogation of Parliament by not being able to call another Election and striking while the Liberals were changing Leaders and out.. He now has to answer why he has done so while stating all was fine during the last election.

To me the ball was really in Harper's court not the GG's

 

[Francis2004]

Not only that but Harper appointed his best advocate Mike Duffy to the Senate in a move that reeks of Hypocrisy and will have one less pitbull after Ignatieff to get the Majority..

It seems he cannot do a move that can help him as the Senate is still Liberal Controlled.. Harper really needs to step down..

 

[Tyr]

We will never be content with the people in power.. That is just the way politics and Canadians are..

There is some truth to that. Canadians tend to vote AGAINST a party, not for it. The current Conservative minority is in reality a backlash against the Liberal laissez-faire attitude and their corruption.

It is no great love of Harper or the Conservatives, but voters revolt against the Liberals