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lone wolf

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Faith in self maybe. Atheism is without a God so saying one puts faith in atheism means one is putting faith in nothing. You're contradicting yourself in some obsessive need to be right.
 

In Between Man

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Faith in self maybe. Atheism is without a God so saying one puts faith in atheism means one is putting faith in nothing. You're contradicting yourself in some obsessive need to be right.

Faith covers your gap in knowledge. If a finite being, without absolute knowledge, who has no proof, wants to believe that everything came from nothing, they have to put stock (faith) in that belief.
 

Dexter Sinister

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I feel the same way about atheism, that it is completely irrational and considering no atheist can offer a scintilla of evidence that atheism is true, I would call faith in atheism utter madness.
That's one of the most uncomprehending statements I've ever seen you make. It bespeaks a total misunderstanding of what it means to be rational, what evidence is, what the rules of logical argument are, what faith means, and even what it means to be an atheist. We've been over that ground before; evidently you weren't paying attention or couldn't absorb any new information. Demanding an atheist prove his position is true is to misunderstand it completely, it's simply a rejection of another claim as unfounded, and we've been over the reasons for such rejection too.
No, you're wrong. Some of the founding fathers may have been deist, but they were a minority. They all signed the constitution under Christian terminology, not deist. America's Christian founding heritage is irrefutable my friend.
It is eminently refutable. There is NO Christian terminology in U.S. constitutional documents. There is one reference to a Creator, a clearly deist terminology, there is no mention of God, Jesus, scripture, the Bible, the New Testament, sin, redemption, salvation, prayer, nothing specifically identifiable as Christian, and there's a very specific prohibition against an establishment of religion. That is not what Christian documents would be like.

Everyone has faith, unless you want to claim that you have absolute (omniscient) knowledge of all things from the sub-atomic to the outer edges of the universe.
That's called the fallacy of equivocation.

Faith covers your gap in knowledge. If a finite being, without absolute knowledge, who has no proof, wants to believe that everything came from nothing, they have to put stock (faith) in that belief.
And so is that, with a hint of the straw man fallacy.
 

PoliticalNick

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Yeah right. One chose the Jews as His people, the other hates Jews and commands followers to kill them.
Actually god (if there is one) didn't choose anyone if you read what passes as theological history. Yahweh made a covenant with Abraham. This is evidenced in the Quran (2:125) where the Abrahimic covenant is recognized and in Genesis (12-17) in the old testament referred to as 'Brit bein HaBetarim' in Hebrew. The god of Abraham IS the god of Ishmael (muslim) and the god of Issac (judeo-christian).
Two contradictory traits cannot both be true at the same my friend.
It is called a paradox. They appear more often than you think.
I'm a believer and because you're not, all the "gods" are the same to you. I simply have more authority to say who God is and who He isn't.
Having been raised in a family of mixed religions I have the benefit of learning both Judaism and Christianity in my youth so I am probably more qualified to determine who or what god might be. For example, in early times Judaism was polytheistic, it wasn't until the Mosaic covenant given on Mt Sinai during the exodus from Egypt that writings first become monotheistic and this was not entrenched in Judaism until the Exilic & persian periods. Many early Rabbinic text refer to the goddess Asherah (Yahweh's consort & queen of heaven) and other Gods such as Ba'al. There is also much evidence that around the early Iron Age ordinary Israelite life revolved around family or clan based gods or 'god of the father'.
Jehovah = One true God
Allah = Satan (a created being)
Satan and Jehovah are both christian creations.
Further, deifying Christ is not worship of other gods. Like Muslims you seem to think that Christians are polytheists. There is ONE God, and He is God the Father, God the Son, and the Holy Spirit. What part of the Trinity don't you understand? "I and my Father are ONE" - Jesus
Whatever you need to convince yourself but it is a polytheistic premise.
Oh and the anti-God left is? Y'all are dragging us down moral depravity. Murder of the unborn, gay pride, legalized drugs and prostitution ring a bell?
I am not dragging you into anything. I believe in freewill.
And I already told you that Christians don't determine right and wrong.
If you don't make that determination what makes you the keepers of such things? What authority do you claim?
 

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One chose the Jews as His people,
He chose the Israelites, not "The Jews". Name one deal or promise God made with Judeans that was seperate from the Israelites. Jews divided Israel into two. Do you think God was impressed? He was so impressed he sent his Son to tell them the deal was off.

Did you not catch that part? It's what the New Testement is all about.
 

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A grassroots campaign for Macy’s to end their association with Donald Trump has caught fire. Nearly 400,000 people have added their name to a petition on Signon.org for Macy’s, which exclusively sells Trump’s clothing line and fragrance, to dump the controversial businessman.

Macy’s touts themselves as a “socially responsible” company. Nevertheless, they have continued to embrace their relationship with Trump and will prominently feature him in its holiday Television ads.


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To start with I can't imagine anyone taking the Donald seriously anymore after his
election night melt down.
As for faith, I admire people who have faith in what they believe, whether I believe
the same as them or not. I tend to lean away from the heavy aspects of religion
do mostly to the fact I do my own thing and I don't get caught up in any one doctrine
or belief system.
I have no use for those who profess to believe in something and then by their actions
betray what they believe in. But for those who believe and live in accordance with that
I have a great deal of respect for them.
 

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Regulations can be so pesky......can't we just get rid of them....................


Trump steakhouse in Las Vegas fails inspection

A Las Vegas Strip restaurant bearing the initials of celebrity financier Donald Trump was shut down after health inspectors found violations including month-old caviar and expired yogurt.

Officials logged 51 violations during a routine inspection.

Inspectors reported finding outdated, expired, unlabeled, mishandled and improperly stored food, according to a summary posted on the health district's website. The closure was first reported by KTNV-TV as part of a "Dirty Dining" segment focused on area restaurants.

While ready-to-eat food can be stored for up to seven days, inspectors at DJT reported finding the old caviar and yogurt, duck that dated back to June, veal stock and tomato sauce that was almost two weeks old, and expired peanut dressing and black bean chili.

Inspectors found no measures to destroy parasites in undercooked halibut and salmon, and noted that raw tuna was being improperly thawed.


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