Does the US even have the necessary wiggleroom for medicare?
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Oh...he said that today? Looks like he went back on his campaign promise then!
''What promise was that?''
What candidate doesn't say he is going to create jobs.
No matter... he's gone and I bet you miss him. Now your guy is doing his best to make matters even worse! Running up the deficit far beyond Bush ever did.
How is his Health Care plan coming out? :lol:
''he's gone and I bet you miss him.''
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, just like Adam & Eve miss Satan in the Garden of Eden.
As for his health care plan - it appears that the Dems are stabbing him in the back. After all, this was the key to his campaign agenda. Their failure to support him as Clinton has requested is going to cost them a great many votes.
Hate to say it but I gotta be honest: the Dems deliberately goofed it in 2000 and in 2004. And it appears as if they are headed in the same direction.
Now do you see why I am an indy and not a Dem?
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, just like Adam & Eve miss Satan in the Garden of Eden.
As for his health care plan - it appears that the Dems are stabbing him in the back. After all, this was the key to his campaign agenda. Their failure to support him as Clinton has requested is going to cost them a great many votes.
Hate to say it but I gotta be honest: the Dems deliberately goofed it in 2000 and in 2004. And it appears as if they are headed in the same direction.
Now do you see why I am an indy and not a Dem?
Well you seem to be living in the past. Bringing up Bush at the hint of any crtisizm of Obama.
I think you miss Bush immensely.
The Democrats are sure running for cover aren't they!
The key to his campaign was withdrawl from Iraq and the closure of GITMO. Neither have been accomplished.
I do not think it was deliberate but they sure goofed and it looks like they are heading in that direction. I think they misread the people. There may be a lot of Democrats but there are not as many liberals and unfortunately the liberals are in charge of the Democrat leadership.
Independent or Unenrolled?
''I think they misread the people. There may be a lot of Democrats but there are not as many liberals and unfortunately the liberals are in charge of the Democrat leadership.''
You are not correct there. If you watched the Democratic Convention which nominated Obama, you will see that health care reform was part of category one in their platform. This means it was agreed by the Democrats that this would be their primary agenda.
Just for your information here it is:
The Democratic Party
The Democrats all signed on to this pledge - by failing to fully endorse Obama's health care reform they have figuratively speaking stabbed him in the back.
Since they have the majority in both houses of Congress they do not need Republican approval in order to bring these changes. Moreover, Obama was given political capital to enact these changes by the majority vote last November.
Therefore, your idea that it does not or did not represent the view of the majority is incorrect.
You are not correct there. If you watched the Democratic Convention which nominated Obama, you will see that health care reform was part of category one in their platform. This means it was agreed by the Democrats that this would be their primary agenda.
Just for your information here it is:
The Democratic Party
The Democrats all signed on to this pledge - by failing to fully endorse Obama's health care reform they have figuratively speaking stabbed him in the back.
Since they have the majority in both houses of Congress they do not need Republican approval in order to bring these changes. Moreover, Obama was given political capital to enact these changes by the majority vote last November.
Therefore, your idea that it does not or did not represent the view of the majority is incorrect.
I am correct. I read that platform and had to laugh. Believe me...if Obama does 10% of what is on that platform I will be impressed.
"A World Without Nuclear Weapons"
That was on it the platform. Will all the world obey Obama and get rid of their nukes because 52% of American voted for him?
Gopher... you do NOT want me going item by item on this. I'll have you spinning.
Like I said... you don't want me going item by item.
Come now. Do you think this is a declaration. If Obama fails to convince Russia to get rid of their nukes will they have failed.
Yes he was given political capital to do pretty much anything he wants...for now. But he knows and the Democrats know that if they start ramming unpopular legislation down the peoples throats.
Don't kid yourself Gopher. This Health Care Plan is VERY unpopular and the Democrats are very wary at thumbing their nose at the people.
Once again... just because someone or some group is elected does not mean that everything they do is by the will of the majority.
''just because someone or some group is elected does not mean that everything they do is by the will of the majority''
Well that at least is true re Bush's war on Iraq.
Well that at least is true re Bush's war on Iraq.
As for ridding the world of nukes, as I recall they were saying ridding the world of the threats from nukes. I could look at it again just to make sure. But disarmament goals were basically to stop the spread especially into NK and Iran.
The health care plan is what got Obama the majority vote. Unfortunately, the Blue Mutts have cowered away rather than backing up their words with action. This will cost them a great deal if they don't follow through with the approval they pledged during the Convention. I cannot speak for people outside of this state but folks here want that reform. And so do I.
The health care plan is what got Obama the majority vote. Unfortunately, the Blue Mutts have cowered away rather than backing up their words with action. This will cost them a great deal if they don't follow through with the approval they pledged during the Convention. I cannot speak for people outside of this state but folks here want that reform. And so do I.
''just because someone or some group is elected does not mean that everything they do is by the will of the majority''
Well that at least is true re Bush's war on Iraq.
Ah Bush again.
And now Obama is trying to do the same.
Oh Obama will have an easy time of doing that! :lol:
Yeah and it looks like he is doing a great job. :roll:
Are you daft? The majority of America doesn't want the government taking over Health Care.
He was voted in by the majority because of Iraq and now the Liberals are changing their tune because Iraq is still ongoing and he has gone back on his promise.
Maybe Senator Stuart Smalley can help! What a laughingstock Minn has become over that!
''Yeah and it looks like he is doing a great job.''
A lot better than Bush. But when he failed, none of the far right critics had anything to say about it. By contrast, I criticize Dems when they fail as they are doing here.
''The majority of America doesn't want the government taking over Health Care.''
That's not what people said last November.
Have you noticed that the majority appearing in those town hall meetings are now for health care reform? Unfortunately, the nitwits of the DNC failed to mobilize them beforehand. And, as usual, the far right news media aren't reporting it:
Reform Supporters Outnumber Critics At Town Halls
''Iraq''
Yeah, I'll grant that Iraq was a factor. Why? Because it was Bush's biggest failure.
Sorry - had to get that shot in. After all, you brought it up.
''Laughing stock''
You forgot about Palin already????
LOL!!!
A lot better than Bush. But when he failed, none of the far right critics had anything to say about it. By contrast, I criticize Dems when they fail as they are doing here.
''The majority of America doesn't want the government taking over Health Care.''
That's not what people said last November.
Have you noticed that the majority appearing in those town hall meetings are now for health care reform? Unfortunately, the nitwits of the DNC failed to mobilize them beforehand. And, as usual, the far right news media aren't reporting it:
Reform Supporters Outnumber Critics At Town Halls
''Iraq''
Yeah, I'll grant that Iraq was a factor. Why? Because it was Bush's biggest failure.
Sorry - had to get that shot in. After all, you brought it up.
''Laughing stock''
You forgot about Palin already????
LOL!!!
McCain: Obama Must Drop Healthcare Public Option
Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:44 AM
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Sen. John McCain says President Barack Obama will have to drop proposals for a government-run health insurance option if he hopes to reach congressional agreement on health-care reform.
McCain says many Americans are losing confidence in Obama partly because of concerns about the so-called public option. The Arizona Republican proposed that Obama meet with members of both parties in Congress to find areas of agreement, abandon the public option, and then make clear exactly what he wants in the legislation.
McCain said that right now Obama is simply leaving it to Congress to decide the details and that isn't enough. He maintains that Republicans are willing to sit down with the president and talk about various reforms.
McCain spoke in an interview for broadcast Sunday on ABC's "This Week."
© 2009 Associated Press
Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:44 AM
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Sen. John McCain says President Barack Obama will have to drop proposals for a government-run health insurance option if he hopes to reach congressional agreement on health-care reform.
McCain says many Americans are losing confidence in Obama partly because of concerns about the so-called public option. The Arizona Republican proposed that Obama meet with members of both parties in Congress to find areas of agreement, abandon the public option, and then make clear exactly what he wants in the legislation.
McCain said that right now Obama is simply leaving it to Congress to decide the details and that isn't enough. He maintains that Republicans are willing to sit down with the president and talk about various reforms.
McCain spoke in an interview for broadcast Sunday on ABC's "This Week."
© 2009 Associated Press
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"What about Bush!"
"Oh yeah...Bush did this!"
"Bush did that!"
What did they say?
I doubt that unless they are now paying them. A REAL rent-a-mob.
''Iraq''
Yeah, I'll grant that Iraq was a factor. Why? Because it was Bush's biggest failure.
Sorry - had to get that shot in. After all, you brought it up.
That is what you consider a "shot"? :roll:
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Better question how can Canada function with all this? No wonder they are so confused and have to focus on the Bush for reasons to be.
Political parties represented in the House of Commons
Political parties represented in the House of Commons
- Bloc Québécois (founded in 1991) - social democratic, Quebec nationalist
- Conservative Party of Canada (founded in 2003) - conservative
- Liberal Party of Canada (founded in 1867) - liberal
- New Democratic Party (founded in 1961) - social democratic
- Animal Alliance Environment Voters Party of Canada (founded in 2005) - environmentalist, animal liberationist
- Canadian Action Party (founded in 1997) - populist, Canadian nationalist
- Christian Heritage Party of Canada (founded in 1987) - social conservative
- Communist Party of Canada (founded in 1921) - communist
- Communist Party of Canada (Marxist-Leninist) (founded in 1970) - communist/Marxist-Leninist influenced by Maoism and the ideas of Enver Hoxha
- First Peoples National Party of Canada (founded in 2005) - Aboriginal rights advocacy
- Green Party of Canada (founded 1983) - Green
- Libertarian Party of Canada (founded in 1975) - libertarian
- Marijuana Party of Canada (founded in 2000) - pro-marijuana legalization
- Neorhino.ca (founded in 2007) - Joke party
- Newfoundland and Labrador First Party (founded in 2007) - Newfoundland and Labrador advocacy
- People's Political Power of Canada (founded in 2006)- social conservative, populist
- Progressive Canadian Party (founded in 2004) - progressive conservative, Red Tory
- Western Block Party (founded 2005) - western separatist and paleoconservative/libertarian conservative
- Work Less Party (founded in 2007) - Labour rights
Doesn't this look like a lot more funner than a two party system? If I could remember my French, I would vote Neorhino.
''What did they say?''
Read the DNC platform which put health care reform as priority one. That is why Obama and the Dems won by a landslide.
Read the DNC platform which put health care reform as priority one. That is why Obama and the Dems won by a landslide.
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