Does liberalism attract the wrong kind of immigrant?

[Machjo]

I'd been reading that due to the baby-boom, we'll soon need to significantly increase our immigration rates.

Okay, fine. But then how might our lax tobacco, alcohol, drug, gambling, prostitution, and other laws attract the wrong kind of immigrant?

For example, a marijuana or sex laddict would rather emigrate to Amsterdam thanto the USA.

Should we toughen these laws to make Canada less attractive to them?

 

[lone wolf]

Why don't our lax tobacco, alcohol, drug, gambling, prostitution, and other laws keep the religious crazies out

 

[Machjo]

Why don't our lax tobacco, alcohol, drug, gambling, prostitution, and other laws keep the religious crazies out

Are you against science?

Maybe we can sell tobacco at the candy shop?

 

[Danbones]

these days refugees are a weapon

 

[lone wolf]

Are you against science?

Maybe we can sell tobacco at the candy shop?

Where did you draw that crazy question? WTF has science got to do with Sweden?

 

[Machjo]

Where did you draw that crazy question? WTF has science got to do with Sweden?

Sweden? Or did you mean the Netherlands?

Science has everything to do with addiction and rising health care costs.

Since you brought up Sweden though, could we apply the Swedish prostitution model to tobacco?

In the Swedish model which Canada recently copied, you can legally sell sex but buying it is a criminal offence. Could we not just reverse that for tobacco whereby you could legally buyit but selling it would be a criminal offence?

 

[lone wolf]

How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood....

You still haven't told me how you arrived at some nonsensical question of my like for science ... so I fell to your level of silliness on the trip. Sweden? You partook of the bait - considering eventually you'll turn the thread into how great Swede art....

Wanna voucher for that? ;-)

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Are you against science?

Not at all. Feel free to present some.

 

[Machjo]

Not at all. Feel free to present some.

Tobacco and alcohol don't exactly belong to the necessary food groups. I think most know of HIV/AIDS. And now we want to legalized marijuana.

If we legalized them, then should they not fall under much stricter laws, like shops that sell them should stay out of sight?

Let's face it. If it weren't for the profits involved, tobacco would be banned no doubt and alcohol too.

 

[lone wolf]

Maybe what we need to know is exactly WHAT your definition of "wrong kind of immigrant" is. The ones who have something against science are most likely to be those religious crazies ... some of whom will kick your dog and lop off your head for complaining - and aren't likely to be attracted by lax laws on tobacco, alcohol, drug, gambling or prostitution.

 

[Machjo]

Maybe what we need to know is exactly WHAT your definition of "wrong kind of immigrant" is

Smokers, drinkers, Johns, etc. I was reading that the Netherlands faces a big problem with sex tourismdue to the legalisation of the sex trade there along with a growing problem of human trafficking. In fact they've been gradually toughening their laws since.

Canada is far less of a sex tourism spot because of our toughervlaws, but we could make them tougher still. Right now, we can still legally sell sex, just not buy it.

Then there's tobacco and alcohol and the impact on the health system and legal system (think alcohol-induced bar fights).

Now we'll soon legalize marijuana. I'm sure that'll attract plenty of US tourists in the holidays along with more traffick fatalities, tax evasion, etc. Think cobtraband cigarettes and moonshine to circumvent taxes to cover their health care.

I'm for very open borders, but on the flip side we need tougher laws on these to discourage harmful tourism industries.

 

[lone wolf]

So are you restricting tourists or immigrants?

 

[Machjo]

So are you restricting tourists or immigrants?

All, including locals. But locals are here already. But we don't need to exacerbate the problems by lwgalizing marijuana for example.

If you think of the speakeasies of the prohibition era, we could even keep alcohol legal as long as it remains hiddden for example. Effectively it would just means bars and liquor shops could not advertise themselves and rely in word of mouth. We could require the same if smoke shops and casinos, etc.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

All, including locals. But locals are here already. But we don't need to exacerbate the problems by lwgalizing marijuana for example.

If you think of the speakeasies of the prohibition era, we could even keep alcohol legal as long as it remains hiddden for example. Effectively it would just means bars and liquor shops could not advertise themselves and rely in word of mouth. We could require the same if smoke shops and casinos, etc.

How very puritan. What shall we restrict next?

 

[Machjo]

How very puritan. What shall we restrict next?

If not restrict them, then at least keep all businesses that sell them out of the public's eyes.

My taxes pay for public health care. What about yours?

 

[tay]

If not restrict them, then at least keep all businesses that sell them out of the public's eyes.

My taxes pay for public health care. What about yours?

Ban cars and trucks and you would save a lot of money on healthcare.

There's a lot of Countries in the world that outright forbid the things you speak of.

Maybe you should consider emigrating to one of them......

 

[gerryh]

Smokers, drinkers, Johns, etc. I was reading that the Netherlands faces a big problem with sex tourismdue to the legalisation of the sex trade there along with a growing problem of human trafficking. In fact they've been gradually toughening their laws since.

Canada is far less of a sex tourism spot because of our toughervlaws, but we could make them tougher still. Right now, we can still legally sell sex, just not buy it.

Then there's tobacco and alcohol and the impact on the health system and legal system (think alcohol-induced bar fights).

Now we'll soon legalize marijuana. I'm sure that'll attract plenty of US tourists in the holidays along with more traffick fatalities, tax evasion, etc. Think cobtraband cigarettes and moonshine to circumvent taxes to cover their health care.

I'm for very open borders, but on the flip side we need tougher laws on these to discourage harmful tourism industries.

Can you show, any time in history, where an out right ban on something "helped" in the long run.



I'll help ya out on the negative side. You can come up with the positive.


Tobacco: since the Canadian government started increasing taxes exponentially on tobacco products, "bootleg" cigs have boomed. We have a huge problem with that. This also gives an in for organized crime.

Alcohol: Oh ya, prohibition was a HUGE success. :roll:

Marijuana: The American states that have legalized it have seen nothing but positives so far. They have NOT had a huge influx of tourists looking to get high. Also, since we have areas south of the border where pot is already legal, why would americans come up here to smoke it?

 

[Remington1]

I would say that it would be cheaper and more productive if our government would make it easier for Canadian couples to have more babies. As far as our ways of life, it can stay just the way it is, tobacco et al.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Tobacco and alcohol don't exactly belong to the necessary food groups. I think most know of HIV/AIDS. And now we want to legalized marijuana.

If we legalized them, then should they not fall under much stricter laws, like shops that sell them should stay out of sight?

Let's face it. If it weren't for the profits involved, tobacco would be banned no doubt and alcohol too.

That's not science.

Can you show, any time in history, where an out right ban on something "helped" in the long run.



I'll help ya out on the negative side. You can come up with the positive.


Tobacco: since the Canadian government started increasing taxes exponentially on tobacco products, "bootleg" cigs have boomed. We have a huge problem with that. This also gives an in for organized crime.

Alcohol: Oh ya, prohibition was a HUGE success. :roll:

Marijuana: The American states that have legalized it have seen nothing but positives so far. They have NOT had a huge influx of tourists looking to get high. Also, since we have areas south of the border where pot is already legal, why would americans come up here to smoke it?

There are three constants in all societies:

People will find ways to alter their brain chemistry with natural or artificial substances.

Attractive people (and some not-so-attractive ones) will trade sex for valuables.

People will wager valuables on the outcomes of competitions or random events.

Every government in history has tried to stamp out one or more of these "vices." Every government has failed, laughably.

 

[lone wolf]

All, including locals. But locals are here already. But we don't need to exacerbate the problems by lwgalizing marijuana for example.

If you think of the speakeasies of the prohibition era, we could even keep alcohol legal as long as it remains hiddden for example. Effectively it would just means bars and liquor shops could not advertise themselves and rely in word of mouth. We could require the same if smoke shops and casinos, etc.

If'n you don't like them places ... stay OUTTA them places. The world revolves around nobody