Not really.
Why should men not want to model themselves after benevolent and wise Gods and men?
One must wonder why fools would not want to.
Regards
DL
The wife is fine but the kid needs shoes.
They ruin so quickly in water.
Regards
DL
Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?
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Not really.
Why should men not want to model themselves after benevolent and wise Gods and men?
One must wonder why fools would not want to.
Regards
DL
The wife is fine but the kid needs shoes.
They ruin so quickly in water.
Regards
DL
It sure doesn't seem that way.
Do you subscribe to either?
Only to psychobabblers.
Reciprocity is fair play. Are you a lawyer?
I do not answer questions without mine being answered as well.
Do so or be gone.
Regards
DL
When does your psychobabble support group meet?
Is it kinda like AA where you introduce yourself round a table? (Hi, my name is French Patriot and I've been a psychobabbler for 17 years - (in unison) Hi French Patriot)
No, but I play one on TV
Your questions don't merit any serious consideration
You ought to expect that kind of response to the offering you posted.
So... Let's get back to the question(s) that I have asked a number of times now.
Clearly you don't believe that a Biblical God exists, yet you (in part) rely on this fictional God to define yourself and various positions.
Why is that?
Moreover, do you not see that your base logic suggests that your underlying identity is really based on the entity that you demand is fictional?
Regardless of your position/belief - I am amazed that this basic relationship eludes you so completely
So... Let's get back to the question(s) that I have asked a number of times now.
Clearly you don't believe that a Biblical God exists, yet you (in part) rely on this fictional God to define yourself and various positions.
Why is that?
Moreover, do you not see that your base logic suggests that your underlying identity is really based on the entity that you demand is fictional?
Regardless of your position/belief - I am amazed that this basic relationship eludes you so completely
Re: Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?
Yes.
He could tell them to stop being morons........
A man died after being bitten by a snake he had been handling during a church service in Bell County on Sunday.
John David Brock, 60, of Stoney Fork, was bitten on the left arm while handling the snake at Mossy Simpson Pentecostal Church in Jenson, according to the state police.
Brock refused medical treatment and went to his brother's home, where he died.
Bell County Coroner Jay Steele said he pronounced Brock dead at the home of his brother Bobby Brock in the Kettle Island community at 4:25 p.m. Sunday.
Steele said an investigation into the incident is continuing.
"We're still looking into the medical history," he said. "He had some extenuating circumstances that may have contributed."
A man who answered the telephone at Bobby Brock's residence Tuesday afternoon declined to comment.
John David Brock had worked as a coal miner for 36 years, according to his obituary.
There have been several other cases in Bell County of people dying after being bitten by snakes used in religious services.
The most recent was in February 2014, when Jamie Coots, 42, pastor at Full Gospel Tabernacle in Jesus Name in Middlesboro, was bitten by a rattlesnake during a church service and later died at his home after his family refused medical treatment.
In March 1995, Kale Saylor, 77, a longtime Pentecostal preacher, died after he was bitten on the right hand by a rattlesnake at a church in Crockett where he was preaching. Saylor's first wife, Jean, died in December 1967 after being bitten by a rattlesnake in Bell County.
In December 1997, Daril R. Collins, 23, died after being bitten during a service in Bell County. Collins attended the church where Saylor had been pastor.
In August 1995, Melinda Brown, 28, of Parrotsville, Tenn., died after she was bitten on the arm by a large rattlesnake at Coots' church. Brown refused medical treatment and died at Coots' home, where other believers took her after the bite.
Three years later, her husband, John Wayne "Punkin" Brown, 34, died after being bitten by a rattlesnake he was handling during a church service in northeast Alabama.
Funeral services for Brock will be at 11 a.m. Friday at Stoney Fork Holiness Church. Arnett & Steel Funeral Home is in charge of arrangements
Read more here: Man dies after being bitten while handling snake during Bell County church service | State | Kentucky.com
Man dies after being bitten while handling snake during Bell County church service | State | Kentucky.com
Yes.
He could tell them to stop being morons........
A man died after being bitten by a snake he had been handling during a church service in Bell County on Sunday.
John David Brock, 60, of Stoney Fork, was bitten on the left arm while handling the snake at Mossy Simpson Pentecostal Church in Jenson, according to the state police.
Brock refused medical treatment and went to his brother's home, where he died.
Bell County Coroner Jay Steele said he pronounced Brock dead at the home of his brother Bobby Brock in the Kettle Island community at 4:25 p.m. Sunday.
Steele said an investigation into the incident is continuing.
"We're still looking into the medical history," he said. "He had some extenuating circumstances that may have contributed."
A man who answered the telephone at Bobby Brock's residence Tuesday afternoon declined to comment.
John David Brock had worked as a coal miner for 36 years, according to his obituary.
There have been several other cases in Bell County of people dying after being bitten by snakes used in religious services.
The most recent was in February 2014, when Jamie Coots, 42, pastor at Full Gospel Tabernacle in Jesus Name in Middlesboro, was bitten by a rattlesnake during a church service and later died at his home after his family refused medical treatment.
In March 1995, Kale Saylor, 77, a longtime Pentecostal preacher, died after he was bitten on the right hand by a rattlesnake at a church in Crockett where he was preaching. Saylor's first wife, Jean, died in December 1967 after being bitten by a rattlesnake in Bell County.
In December 1997, Daril R. Collins, 23, died after being bitten during a service in Bell County. Collins attended the church where Saylor had been pastor.
In August 1995, Melinda Brown, 28, of Parrotsville, Tenn., died after she was bitten on the arm by a large rattlesnake at Coots' church. Brown refused medical treatment and died at Coots' home, where other believers took her after the bite.
Three years later, her husband, John Wayne "Punkin" Brown, 34, died after being bitten by a rattlesnake he was handling during a church service in northeast Alabama.
Funeral services for Brock will be at 11 a.m. Friday at Stoney Fork Holiness Church. Arnett & Steel Funeral Home is in charge of arrangements
Read more here: Man dies after being bitten while handling snake during Bell County church service | State | Kentucky.com
Man dies after being bitten while handling snake during Bell County church service | State | Kentucky.com
God is Truthful: He keeps His word and promise, and does not break His covenant.
So it is a parable: that God to His servants whom He created is like the father to his family; but it is only a parable, and in fact God is not our father and we are not His sons; we are sons of man. And God is our Lord and our God, but not our father, and we are not his offspring.
But to us: His servants, He is better than the father is to his family.
God is Clement: He gives respite to man, perhaps men may repent and forsake the wronging of each other.
God is Most Gracious: His mercy involves the believer and the unbeliever in this life of the World.
-> This is in the Quran 6: 12, which means:
12. Say: "To whom belongs whatsoever is in the heavens and the earth?" e
Say: "[All that]belongs to God; He has prescribed for Himself mercy [to those who repent] f.
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e i.e. whatsoever is in the planets including the earth.
f As is it indicated in His saying – be glorified – in the Quran 2: 160, which means:
(Except such as repent, reform and declare openly.
It is these whose repentance I do accept; for certainly I am the All-Accepting of the repentance [and] the Most Merciful.)
Moreover, God is Clement: i.e. He does not hasten to punish His servants, and this is out of His kindness.
This is in the Quran 35: 45, which means:
(45. If God should [hasten to] take men to task [and punish them] for what [sins] they earn, He would not leave on the surface [of the earth] even one moving creature [man or animal.] o
But He defers them to a ‘stated decreed time’ p, and when their ‘decreed time’ comes q, then God is Ever-Discerning His servants r.
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o But all of them would have died.
p Which is the last day of their life time.
q By death.
r When He will punish the disbelieves and show mercy to the believers in the Barzakh world [: the Afterlife.]
In addition to this, God Most Gracious provides people with His profuse provision, as in this aya of the Quran 35:3, which means:
3. O people remember the grace of God to you [and show gratitude to Him]; is there any creator, apart from God, who provides for you out of the sky d and the earth e? No god [in the universe] but He; how then are you perverted [from the way of the truth to the misguidance?]
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d With the rain.
e With the plant, fruit, cattle and trees.
That would end Christianity so I am all in for that.
Regards
DL
Truthful?
Are you serious?
Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee. 1Kings 22:23
Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets. 2 Chron 18:22
Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people. Jer 4:10
O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. Jer 20:7
And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet. Ezekiel 14:9
For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. Thessalonians 2:11
O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. - Jeremiah 20:7
To me, God’s worse lie was to Adam and Eve. He told them they could eat of the tree of life and then reneged and in a real sense murdered them by denying them a remedy.
That pesky God sure works in mysterious ways.
As to God not breaking his covenant. If he had kept his first one and it had been worthy, he would not have needed the second.
Further.
Regards
DL
How well does the God of Truth square with the spirits of taqiyya and kitman, SS?
God does not fear anyone or anything; but the 'taqiyya' is for believers when the unbeliever persecute them and kill them if they show their belief, so God permit such believers to pretend they are not believers to save themselves, but should have their belief and faith in thier hearts and should never disbelieve.
As in the Quran 16: 106, which means:
(106. Anyone who disbelieves in God [and apostasies from the Islam religion] after having believed [then he will incur God’s wrath] – excepting one being forced [to make a declaration of disbelief, so he blasphemes taking caution lest he should be killed], but his heart remaining firm with belief, [and he is believing a] –
But anyone whose breast is pleased with the disbelief: on such is wrath from God, and theirs will be a mighty chastisement [in the Next Life.])
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a Then no blame on him for uttering the word of blasphemy, if it is for taking caution and fearing of being killed.
So this is a permission to believers to pretend they are unbelievers to save themselves from being killed or persecuted by unbelievers.
While God Himself tells the truth and is not ashamed from telling the truth. And none is more truthful than He is.
The books previous to the Quran, which are the Torah and the Gospel, have been altered by men, so they distorted, added and deleted a good deal of them. While the Quran does not say such things about God and the prophets.
And God said in the Quran 33: 4 which means:
(God does tell [you] the truth and He does show the
way [of the truth f.])
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f i.e. He tells and guides to the truth.
This is according to the interpretation of the Quran by the late interpreter of the Quran and the Bible, Mohammed Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
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f i.e. He tells and guides to the truth.
This is according to the interpretation of the Quran by the late interpreter of the Quran and the Bible, Mohammed Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
All you idol worshipers are the same. When the books say what you like they are all authentic and when they refute what you say, they have all been altered.
Muslim hypocrisy is just as vile as Christian hypocrisy.
You idol worshipers are all alike. You will all lie at the drop of a hat.
Regards
DL
So dark and dismal, DL! The Words in the Book are powerful to transform such chaos into cosmos : )
Religions are supposed to be all about morals and ethics and here you are discussing cosmology even as the O.P. is clearly a moral question.
Speak to it if you care to.
Regards
DL
Human mores cannot hold a candle to God's character, DL.
"As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts." (Isaiah 55:9 NIV)
Thinking metaphorically for a moment, consider the potential for personal chaos to be transformed into personal cosmos through intimate, personal fellowship with the Source of cosmos (order and harmony : )
God is shown, as in the King David myth, to torture and kill babies.
If you think that a high point for God then I am pleased to say that I am more moral here than he is up there.
You can have that satanic prick as your God all you want.
I will not sink that low into depravity nor sell my souls to follow your God.
Regards
DL
