Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?

French Patriot

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Does Godhave any moral responsibility to his children?

Humanparents have a moral responsibility to protect and try to raise their childrento be what we think of as good citizens. Our laws, to some extent, make parentsmorally and legally responsible for the actions of their children.

God, ourheavenly parent, is said to create our natures. Natures can only be followed.They cannot be changed, which I think is why God is said to hate some of useven in the womb; even before we can either do good or evil. IOW, heintentionally creates those he knows will be evil. I know some will blame man’ssins on his free will and thus shift the burden of responsibility for our sinsaway from God but that urge to sin is controlled by the nature and inclinationsthat God himself puts in us. We do havefree will but that does not explain why our will, will go to evil instead ofgood. That desire is part of the nature that God puts in us as the story ofEsau shows. In a way, Esau had no choice.

If God werejust one of many Gods in a God society, would that society demand that he takeresponsibility in the same way human society has decided that a human child’sparent must take responsibilities?

Yes wewould.

The factthat God punishes or rewards us seems to indicate that he at least thinks thathe has some moral responsibility; otherwise he could not morally retain theright to punish or reward. At present we have no clear picture of what heaven andhell are like. God does not provide full disclosure even though our soul is atstake. That is not justice.

Should God’sresponsibility include full disclose of what our true reward and punishment is?

God did notseem to think so in Eden, where Adam and Eve knew of only the one punishmentbefore the act of disobedience. They soon found that the one punishment becamemany. It was a complete surprise for them. To me, that was completely immoralof God. That is like God lying to Adam and Eve by omission.

Does Godhave a responsibility for the souls he creates?

And since hecould insure that all come to a good end in heaven, is making sure we get therealso part of his responsibility since he creates the natures we cannot help butfollow?

Any goodhuman parent with God-like powers would insure the best end for his child if hehad the power of a God. I know you and I would as part of our inclination tolove and protect our children.

If God doesnot, does that make man more responsible than God in terms of accepting responsibilityfor our children?

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DL
 

Durry

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There is no such thing as a God!!

Get over it, it's just a fairy tale for the weak who need a crutch to be able cope with life!!
 

French Patriot

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There is no such thing as a God!!

Get over it, it's just a fairy tale for the weak who need a crutch to be able cope with life!!

I have nothing to get over as I do not believe in the bible God.

I am not sure of all the needs being met by those who believe but I do not see it as a crutch as religion provides little in terms of a crutch. I see it more as a tribal thing that adherents cater too.

You might note that the vast majority believe in the Noble Lie.

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DL
 

darkbeaver

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There is no such thing as a God!!

Get over it, it's just a fairy tale for the weak who need a crutch to be able cope with life!!

God is information encoded in energy which assembles all matter. Cope with that scientific fact. Only the weak of mind believe they are autonomous meat bags.
 

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Belief is a terrible waste of the human intelligence, our capacity to sense, feel and intuit. Belief in god is not the same as the experience of the divine.

 

petros

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IF someone is getting spiritual benefit from a belief, so be it.

To whine and cry that there is no God because somebody else gets a benefit and you don't is pathetic.
 

French Patriot

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Belief is a terrible waste of the human intelligence, our capacity to sense, feel and intuit. Belief in god is not the same as the experience of the divine.


I agree.

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DL

IF someone is getting spiritual benefit from a belief, so be it.

To whine and cry that there is no God because somebody else gets a benefit and you don't is pathetic.

True but we should look at the benefits people get from belief in God.

African witches and Jesus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9gXriVI&feature=related

Jesus Camp 1of 9
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=48b_1185215493

Death to Gays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMw2Zg_BVzw&feature=related

For evil to grow my friends, all good people need do is nothing.
Fight them when you can. It is your duty to our fellow man.


Regards
DL
 

Cliffy

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IF someone is getting spiritual benefit from a belief, so be it.

To whine and cry that there is no God because somebody else gets a benefit and you don't is pathetic.
I don't think there is any spiritual benefit to belief. I think belief is a hindrance to spirituality. Unless one personally experiences the divine, belief in god or no god will hinder the possibility of experience. An open mind, unencumbered by belief, to me, is the way to fully appreciate the divine.
 

petros

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f p said:
True but we should look at the benefits people get from belief in God.

There are endless benefits.....

BTW, God only created one soul and it's divided up and shared between all life.
 

Cliffy

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True but we should look at the benefits people get from belief in God.

For evil to grow my friends, all good people need do is nothing.
Fight them when you can. It is your duty to our fellow man.

Regards
DL

Don't you have any more ammunition than those same old tired video clips? It seems to me that your anti-christian stance is based on belief rather than experience.
 

French Patriot

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Don't you have any more ammunition than those same old tired video clips? It seems to me that your anti-christian stance is based on belief rather than experience.
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My stance is based on morality and the atrocities that I show Christianity doing is ongoing and yes it is a shame that they have gone on long enough to be old.

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DL

There are endless benefits.....

BTW, God only created one soul and it's divided up and shared between all life.

Thanks for sharing your fantasy.

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DL
 

darkbeaver

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If you are not autonomous, who directed you to reply?

Regards

DL

It was a conditioned response triggered by environmental and intellectual phenomena presently engaged in my particular location in the aether. Any sentient organism would say the same things. I hope you don't think I conjured it up on my onliest.


I don't think there is any spiritual benefit to belief. I think belief is a hindrance to spirituality. Unless one personally experiences the divine, belief in god or no god will hinder the possibility of experience. An open mind, unencumbered by belief, to me, is the way to fully appreciate the divine.


First you believe then you may know. A knowing mind is closed by degrees of knowing. If you will not believe what you know what is the good of knowledge?
It's just a conversation, please feel free to disagree, we always encourage other exotic opinions and we always entertain doubts about many of our own positions.

Gawd, you guys keep encouraging this multiple board troll......:roll:

That's because our private collection of CC trolls frequently excuse themselves from their duties and you are left alone to hold the bag.