Does Canada spend too little on defence?

[EagleSmack]

So I have a question for you, lets assume for a moment the Us follows isolasionist policies. I'm not speaking of trade. Who would you prefer should "take over

NO ONE. ......and the void could be filled by a well functioning INTERNATIONAL agency. with strict international laws.....where all nations partake, and assist each other.......and get away from the power struggle factor.

A noble goal but how is it in the interests of the United States to cede its sovereignty to an international agency?

I also think part of the American's argument is that the UN is not a well-functioning international agency.

BRAVO TORO.... Well said.

Perfect.

The UN is weak and it gets weaker every year. It has no back bone and no nations abide by it's rules if it does not sit well with them. The only good thing the UN offers is a chance for nations to talk and voice their differences. It is more of a club house than anything. A place to talk but in the end there is not much to it.

I hope the US never sends one person on a UN mission ever again. I hope we have learned that lesson.

 

[EagleSmack]

I like the idea of No Borders between the US,Canada and Mexico that was sort of debated last night on CNN, and defense would be extended all around the Americas. As I say this,tho,I have to doubt the US would let us keep sovereignty of our own country & would just take us over entirely.

I have to think that Mexico would not let us keep OUR sovreignty either. They have been pushing no borders with us for years.

 

[EagleSmack]

A noble goal but how is it in the interests of the United States to cede its sovereignty to an international agency

who would be asking it to.?? Not anymore than any other nation should. Isn't it time to reprogram the thinking into : what is best for the world instead of always "what is best for the US"??

Amazingly, the US is not the only nation on this planet. But it is certainly the most self centered. (sadly)

I thought Canada was the only nation on earth!

 

[EagleSmack]

"Ask Peapod, she'll tell you is she is serious or not."

I am sick of your crap think! First the rev is a liar...no proof, just throw it out there, now you post this...I would like you to back that up, or are you just good at posting something and running away. Well toro, than if america thinks the UN does not work, their answer is to drop cookie cutter bombs on people. Guess that works until you get on the ground eh?

http://www.canadiancontent.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=78743&highlight=#78743

I don't really agree with that statement bluealberta. I think alot of canadians know alot more about the US than their own citizens, especially their history. The present may be most unattractive, but their past is rich and interesting.

Wow!

I guess that ended that arguement!

 

[HOCK]

Re: RE: Does Canada spend too

Exactly, Canadians do get it but we all in North America are considered one people..

Having been to a few overseas postings, Canadians and Americans are in no way considered as one person. The Canadians are one of the most respected people in the world (soldiers or civilian). I know that Americans abroad have been told not to wear their American Flag, wear a Canadian one.

Back to Canadian soldiers....they are one of the most respected and best trained and are requested by all countries when on deployment. In Kosovo, the British, Americans and even the Russians asked for Canadian help.

Biggest problem, outside of funding, is the Military does not build itself up through the media (unlike the Americans). If anyone was watching over the last couple of weeks, the Americans had several shows on TV showing their troops returning home from Iran. When was the last time you seen something about Canadian troops returning from a tour or when they returned from Dessert Storm 1???

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Does Canada spend too

NewsWorld generally carries the departure and return of large groups of soldiers live, Hock. Where the problem comes is that so many of our missions are small groups being sent to places that nobody has heard of or that everybody thought were over.

To me those are the most important missions because we are so often acting in a training or advisory capacity.

 

[HOCK]

Re: RE: Does Canada spend too

Where the problem comes is that so many of our missions are small groups being sent to places that nobody has heard of or that everybody thought were over.
To me those are the most important missions because we are so often acting in a training or advisory capacity.

I'll have to turn the TV on more.....Well said Rev...I guess were are kind of small scale sending 100's instead of the American 1000's. And as you said, our troops are always in an training or advisory position. We also have several police forces supplying their officers for training of local police forces overseas.

 

[EagleSmack]

Re: RE: Does Canada spend too

Exactly, Canadians do get it but we all in North America are considered one people..

Having been to a few overseas postings, Canadians and Americans are in no way considered as one person. The Canadians are one of the most respected people in the world (soldiers or civilian). I know that Americans abroad have been told not to wear their American Flag, wear a Canadian one.

Back to Canadian soldiers....they are one of the most respected and best trained and are requested by all countries when on deployment. In Kosovo, the British, Americans and even the Russians asked for Canadian help.

Biggest problem, outside of funding, is the Military does not build itself up through the media (unlike the Americans). If anyone was watching over the last couple of weeks, the Americans had several shows on TV showing their troops returning home from Iran. When was the last time you seen something about Canadian troops returning from a tour or when they returned from Dessert Storm 1???

What kind of help?

This is all the usual Canadian chest thumping with no basis of fact.

For one... when did the troops return from Iran? I never knew we were there... because we are not.

In my four years in the Marines I never even saw a Canadian soldier or a Canadian ship never mind ask for help.

All three of the militaries that you mentioned are leaps and bounds over the Canadians. The US, British, and Russians have nothing to learn from them.

 

[Reverend Blair]

:roll: at big bird

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Having been to a few overseas postings, Canadians and Americans are in no way considered as one person. The Canadians are one of the most respected people in the world (soldiers or civilian). I know that Americans abroad have been told not to wear their American Flag, wear a Canadian one.

absolutely. (Good posting Rev and Hock)

Not sure it is all that "wise" to display so much media about the troops .......as the US does. The US glamorizes their troops, to the point of fanatical hero worship. And yes, they pin flags on everything including their undergarments. (part of their society and "patriotic" fanatical fervor.

Canada is more understated, does not have the "in your face" attitude (and nor should it) It is much wiser, in todays world to be understated and not draw so much "attention " to oneself.

Canada does not have to advertize what it does......it just does it and ,sorry Ottawa.........Canadians are very aware of what their troops are doing. Might not be fully aware of all their jobs and placements ........but again.....why draw attention to them and make them a bulls eye .

And no we don't have to televise every action of the troops, every location etc. They are there to do a job.....many times a very sensitive job......so why make them a target of unnec attention.

Ottawa........It is sad to read that you have given up your Canadian identity for the N.American "concept" There are too many differences between US and Canada to merge them in this way.

If one is upset about some ribbons and where they are made......then make your own. sheesh.

And yes, Americans are advised , by their own leaders to travel under the CA flag.......for "security" reasons. So think about it........ CA is providing security -to the Americans in many ways that does not have to be flamboyant muscle and militay. Many Americans ,when they travel abroad , say they are Canadians and they are treated with welcoming respect. If they travel under their own flag they are treated with cold indifference .....

Of course the "military " might be improved.....and it IS being improved.......but we don't have to brag about it to the whole damned world and show every card to the world to see.

Canada is more reserved in these things......and wisely so.

Blind "patriotic" fervor and glamorizing the military .....can "blind" a population to the reality of things. Would NEVER want to adopt the US mindset in CA. The emphasize power , muscle and that suggests that this is more important than brainpower.

 

[Twila]

RE: Does Canada spend too

When was the last time you seen something about Canadian troops returning from a tour or when they returned from Dessert Storm 1???

Watch check 6 news (Victoria). Everytime there's a deployment out of esquimalt the news shows it.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Hi Twila......

Not sure the east gets west coast TV channels. But they might get others that provide the info.

cheers.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Does Canada spend too

My mother likely does. I don't know what kind of package those people sold her, but all her satellite dish seems to get is local news broadcasts from other places. Then I go my father's and find out that they don't get Discovery anymore. And all either of them has for internet is dial-up and they only use it for e-mail so they freak if you spend more than a few minutes on-line.

 

[no1important]

RE: Does Canada spend too

The HMCS Winnipeg was in the Gulf not to long ago.

 

[Toro]

Well toro, than if america thinks the UN does not work, their answer is to drop cookie cutter bombs on people. Guess that works until you get on the ground eh?

Whoa. Calm down there peapod. Framing the argument as "UN or war" is silly.

A noble goal but how is it in the interests of the United States to cede its sovereignty to an international agency

who would be asking it to.?? Not anymore than any other nation should. Isn't it time to reprogram the thinking into : what is best for the world instead of always "what is best for the US"??

Amazingly, the US is not the only nation on this planet. But it is certainly the most self centered. (sadly)

Interesting choice of word, "reprogram"

Not any more than any other nation? Certainly more than any other nation. The US is the most powerful nation in the world. It has the most to lose because it constrains its powers. That's why its so beneficial to smaller countries like Canada. Despite all the pretense of international cooperation, its in Canada's interest to bind the US to international agreements because actions between the two countries have a disproportionate effect, i.e. Canada loses more than the US if either acts unilaterally. Thus its in Canada's interest to bind the US to act in a manner that restrains America's behavior. That is less the case for America because America is much more powerful.

 

[Reverend Blair]

What a load of bull, Toro.

Framing the argument as "UN or war" is silly.

I realize that you prefer to frame the the argument as, "The rest of the world haas to do what the US tells them to," but that doesn't work. Your chosen country ignored the UN to start an illegal war and is now in the process of trying to destroy the UN. When ever anybody tries to speak out against what you are doing you yap about money and spew tales of doom. We're not buying it anymore.

 

[Twila]

RE: Does Canada spend too

ITN. thanks for pointing out that scenario.....My brain is not geared towards war like strategies....I once almost won at a game of risk but it sure wasn't through "skill"

Now ask me if the soldiers look better in blue or green kacki's.......

 

[I think not]

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ITN. thanks for pointing out that scenario.....My brain is not geared towards war like strategies....I once almost won at a game of risk but it sure wasn't through "skill"

Now ask me if the soldiers look better in blue or green kacki's.......

Well God forbid that scenario ever takes place. I used to wear green khakis by the way

 

[Toro]

What a load of bull, Toro.

Framing the argument as "UN or war" is silly.

I realize that you prefer to frame the the argument as, "The rest of the world haas to do what the US tells them to," but that doesn't work. Your chosen country ignored the UN to start an illegal war and is now in the process of trying to destroy the UN. When ever anybody tries to speak out against what you are doing you yap about money and spew tales of doom. We're not buying it anymore.

And you demonstrate the ugly side of Canadian nationalism, the sad one that feeds on reflexive anti-Americanism. Its totally binary in your world. In your worldview, if the UN isn't working, then you're pro-war. In your worldview, if you don't fall in line with the dogma, you're a "Bush Supporter!"

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Does Canada spend too

In my world I look father than Washington when I want to know what is going on, little buddy.