Does Canada need a US-style Bill of Rights?

Machjo

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Is it 'fair' that the people who founded this country have their traditions tossed in the garbage, because other immigrants want to come here and fundamentally change our nation?

Who is 'we'? English-Canadian and French-Canadian Catholics only? I'm a French-English bilingual who was raised Catholic. However, we cannot ignore that our country is also built on residential schools, forced relocation, etc. too. They're hardly 'immigrants'.

Let's not forget too that the Chinese helped to build the railroad? Was that not 'building the country'? Many, many groups have built this country, and not just the English and French Catholics.
 

TenPenny

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Who is 'we'? English-Canadian and French-Canadian Catholics only? I'm a French-English bilingual who was raised Catholic. However, we cannot ignore that our country is also built on residential schools, forced relocation, etc. too. They're hardly 'immigrants'.

Let's not forget too that the Chinese helped to build the railroad? Was that not 'building the country'? Many, many groups have built this country, and not just the English and French Catholics.

Yes, I agree, the residential schools created our Parliament, with the assistance of forced relocation who founded the Senate. And I know that the Chinese immigrants were instrumental in establishing our legal system, in their spare time after building the CPR.

By the way, you have a hangup about Catholics. You might want to have that looked at, carrying such a large chip on your shoulder can't be good for your spine.
 

Machjo

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Yes, I agree, the residential schools created our Parliament, with the assistance of forced relocation who founded the Senate. And I know that the Chinese immigrants were instrumental in establishing our legal system, in their spare time after building the CPR.

By the way, you have a hangup about Catholics. You might want to have that looked at, carrying such a large chip on your shoulder can't be good for your spine.

Yes, they did create Parliament and the Senate, since we had to push them aside to do it.

And I have no issue with Catholics. I do have issue with the BNA Act.
 

Machjo

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I surely hope you're not trying to tell us that residential schools were part of that.

To some degree, yes. Not Parliament of course, but the country. Part of the purpose of the residential school programme was to forcibly and sometimes violently crush the culture out of the pupils, which explains why they had to be forcibly removed from their families at an early age and kept apart from them for such long periods throughout the school year. This was a required part of establishing the Anglo-French country we now have today.

I guess you could say such social engineering was part of the nation-building effort.
 

Machjo

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I'm trying to follow you, it seemed you were saying that residential schools were necessary for the creation of New France, and therefore the country.

No, I'm saying that pushing the First Nations to the margins of the power centers of the continent was a necessary part of founding the country we now know as Canada. And marginalizing their cultures was a necessary part of creating the Anglo-French Bilingual Canada we now know today, with residential schools playing a part in that in our more recent history, just another stage in the building of the nation in our (European) image.
 

petros

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Speaking of marginalized. I know you've heard the name Tecumseh but do you know the name and what it means to Canada?
 

TenPenny

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Speaking of marginalized. I know you've heard the name Tecumseh but do you know the name and what it means to Canada?

I found that Briggs & Stratton engines were more reliable.

No, I'm saying that pushing the First Nations to the margins of the power centers of the continent was a necessary part of founding the country we now know as Canada. And marginalizing their cultures was a necessary part of creating the Anglo-French Bilingual Canada we now know today, with residential schools playing a part in that in our more recent history, just another stage in the building of the nation in our (European) image.

I would venture to say that process is part of every present nation on earth. Have you been to China?
 

Machjo

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I found that Briggs & Stratton engines were more reliable.



I would venture to say that process is part of every present nation on earth. Have you been to China?

I have been to China, and yes I can agree with you to a degree but not entirely. Our having taken this land is extremely recent, and we'd hope we've evolved at least somewhat so as to be willing to now share equally in the administration of this land and not go back to the old-style power struggles.
 

petros

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I have been to China, and yes I can agree with you to a degree but not entirely. Our having taken this land is extremely recent, and we'd hope we've evolved at least somewhat so as to be willing to now share equally in the administration of this land and not go back to the old-style power struggles.
 

gerryh

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So, let me get this straight. To make Canada a "better" place. We need to squash and throw out agreements made when provinces were brought into confederation and marginalize the existing 2 official languages by throwing out the official language act. How am I doing so far?
 

Machjo

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Yes they were recent too. I was thinking more about the comment about most countries in the world. Let's take Sweden for instance. Sure it had been an imperial power at one point, but it's since lost any land it had conquered, and is now confined to its traditional borders. Seeing that we come in recent history from England and France for the most part, we cannot say the same for Canada. And no, we cannot say the same for China in Tibet either, but I'd rather aim slightly higher than China's norms, wouldn't you?

So, let me get this straight. To make Canada a "better" place. We need to squash and throw out agreements made when provinces were brought into confederation and marginalize the existing 2 official languages by throwing out the official language act. How am I doing so far?

Those agreements were made by provinces that had themselves claimed indigenous lands. On the one hand those agreements should be honoured, but only to the extent that the provinces had the authority to sign onto these agreements in the first place. Any land belonging to the First Nations should be given back first seeing that the provinces never had a right to bargain on that to begin with. As for the remaining land, yes, I fully agree that we should honour our agreements. However, another agreement in entering confederation was the rules on how to change the constitution, including with regards to the residential school system. So, changing these rules as per the agreements merely involves the necessary majority of Parliament and sufficient provinces, right?

However, it's already been proven in Ontario that most don't particularly care about the principle of justice.
 

petros

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So, let me get this straight. To make Canada a "better" place. We need to squash and throw out agreements made when provinces were brought into confederation and marginalize the existing 2 official languages by throwing out the official language act. How am I doing so far?
So far so good.