Do you trust Canadian mass media

[peapod]

heya henry! I am always out of place henry...ehm except in them there hills and rivers for your pleasure henry...since lip smack has turned this thread into troll patrol.

A man walks into an office.

Man: Good morning, I'd like to have an argument, please.
Receptionist: Certainly, sir. Have you been here before?
Man: No, this is my first time.
Receptionist: I see, well we'll see who's free at the moment.
Mr. Bakely's free, but he's a little bit concilliatory. No.
Try Mr. Barnhart, room 12.
Man: Thank you.

He enters room 12.

Angry man: WHADDAYOU WANT?
Man: Well, Well, I was told outside that...
Angry man: DON'T GIVE ME THAT, YOU SNOTTY-FACED HEAP OF PARROT DROPPINGS!
Man: What?
A: SHUT YOUR FESTERING GOB, YOU TIT! YOUR TYPE MAKES ME PUKE! YOU VACUOUS
STUFFY-NOSED MALODOROUS PERVERT!!!
M: Yes, but I came here for an argument!!
A: OH! Oh! I'm sorry! This is abuse!
M: Oh! Oh I see!
A: Aha! No, you want room 12A, next door.
M: Oh...Sorry...
A: Not at all!
A: (under his breath) stupid git.

The man goes into room 12A. Another man is sitting behind a desk.

Man: Is this the right room for an argument?
Other Manpause) I've told you once.
Man: No you haven't!
Other Man: Yes I have.
M: When?
O: Just now.
M: No you didn't!
O: Yes I did!
M: You didn't!
O: I did!
M: You didn't!
O: I'm telling you, I did!
M: You didn't!
O: (breaking into the developing argument) Oh I'm sorry, is this a five minute
argument, or the full half hour?
M: Ah! (taking out his wallet and paying) Just the five minutes.
O: Just the five minutes. Thank you.
Anyway, I did.
M: You most certainly did not!
O: Now let's get one thing perfectly clear: I most definitely told you!
M: Oh no you didn't!
O: Oh yes I did! ___
M: Oh no you didn't! \
O: Oh yes I did! \
M: Oh no you didn't! \
O: Oh yes I did! \
M: Oh no you didn't! \
O: Oh yes I did! \
M: Oh no you didn't! \
O: Oh yes I did! > very fast
M: Oh no you didn't! /
O: Oh yes I did! /
M: No you DIDN'T! /
O: Oh yes I did! /
M: No you DIDN'T! /
O: Oh yes I did! /
M: No you DIDN'T! /
O: Oh yes I did! ___/
M: Oh look, this isn't an argument!

(pause)

O: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!

(pause)

M: It's just contradiction!
O: No it isn't!
M: It IS!
O: It is NOT!
M: You just contradicted me!
O: No I didn't!
M: You DID!
O: No no no!
M: You did just then!
O: Nonsense!
M: (exasperated) Oh, this is futile!!

(pause)

O: No it isn't!
M: Yes it is!
(pause)
I came here for a good argument!
O: AH, no you didn't, you came here for an *argument*!
M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
O: Well! it CAN be!
M: No it can't!
An argument is a connected series of statement intended to establish a
proposition.
O: No it isn't!
M: Yes it is! 'tisn't just contradiction.
O: Look, if I *argue* with you, I must take up a contrary position!
M: Yes but it isn't just saying "no it isn't".
O: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!
O: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!
O: Yes it is!
M: No it ISN'T! Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just
the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.
O: It is NOT!
M: It is!
O: Not at all!
M: It is!

>DING!< The Arguer hits a bell on his desk and stops.

O: Thank you, that's it.
M: (stunned) What?

O: That's it. Good morning.
M: But I was just getting interested!
O: I'm sorry, the five minutes is up.
M: That was never five minutes!!
O: I'm afraid it was.
M: (leading on) No it wasn't.....

(pause)
O: (dirty look) I'm sorry, I'm not allowed to argue any more.
M: WHAT??
O: If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another five
minutes.
M: But that was never five minutes just now!
(pause... the Other Man raises his eyebrows)
Oh Come on!
Oh this is...
This is ridiculous!
O: I told you...
I told you, I'm not allowed to argue unless you PAY!
M: Oh all right. (takes out his wallet and pays again.) There you are.
O: Thank you.
M: (clears throat) Well...
O: Well WHAT?
M: That was never five minutes just now.
O: I told you, I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid!
M: Well I just paid!
O: No you didn't!
M: I DID!!!
O: YOU didn't!
M: I DID!!!
O: YOU didn't!
M: I DID!!!
O: YOU didn't!
M: I DID!!!
O: YOU didn't!
M: (unable to talk straight he's so mad) I don't want to argue about it!
O: Well I'm very sorry but you didn't pay!
M: Ah HAH!! Well if I didn't pay, why are you arguing??? Ah HAAAAAAHHH!
Gotcha!

O: (pause) No you haven't!
M: Yes I have!
If you're arguing, I must have paid.
O: Not necessarily.
I *could* be arguing in my spare time.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

:lol: :lol:

nice Pythonian post there Pea... 8)

 

[Vanni Fucci]

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Cut the shit Vanni. Either learn some manners and respect or don't bother discussing things with me....

get it????

Now Jay, I've not once called you a simpering twit, even when I've had occasion to do so, so I think I've been more than accomodating with regards to manners...

...and I also think that you still do not get it...

...your assertions that not regulating media monopolies preserves free-speech and expression is just plain wrong-headed...

...it would do quite the opposite, as there would be only one version of the news being presented...which would be alright for you if it was a pro-conservative news source, but what if it was pro-liberal, or pro-NDP??

...of course that would never happen, because the Liberal party, and more so the NDP recognize the dangers of allowing one media outlet to own all of the news in a given area...

...but if this scenario were to happen, that all of the news in your area was pro-NDP, would you be so vigilant in denouncing regulations to prevent those monopolies?

...somehow I don't think so...

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Do you trust Canadian

Heh heh heh...Imagine if all the news he could get was stuff that I was the editor of and I programmed all the music too. Why I do believe his head would explode.

 

[missile]

Until that happy day,Jay has a bright future ahead as a WalMart greeter.

 

[Jay]

so I think I've been more than accomodating with regards to manners...

I guess you thought wrong.

...of course that would never happen, because the Liberal party, and more so the NDP recognize the dangers of allowing one media outlet to own all of the news in a given area...

And God knows you lefties are watching the media, who owns it and says what on it...classic lefty behavior.

...but if this scenario were to happen, that all of the news in your area was pro-NDP, would you be so vigilant in denouncing regulations to prevent those monopolies?

...somehow I don't think so...

Of coarse you don't think so. I've already explained to you that I don't look at things that way nor act that way, but you’re being a little on the thickheaded side about this, so you
"don't think so".

I don’t give a rat’s ass if all the private media in my area is pro NDP and worships Stalin and believe the Communist Manifesto is divinely inspired. I wouldn’t complain about it to the government, I would do something about it, like start up my own media outlet etc.

It would seem to me that paranoia has set in deeply like a rigor mortise that does not allow for the left to see what a splendid occasion it would be that this horrible monopoly has taken hold, and only opened up doors of opportunity for an entrepreneur to take advantage and start a different media outlet saying something different than what the other guy says. Free enterprise works.

The jack-booted Nazis in this country are going to control how the media works and keep lists of ppl with guns. Good going guys. The left is always looking out for freedom!!

Do you realize that you are fulfilling what Marx saw as a necessary step on the path to communism? Are you a Marxist, Jay?

I didn’t know Marx was into Freedom of the press and Freedom of expression, I know you don’t like it, and I thought Marx didn’t either.

Most people get their news from television and newspapers though..

I don’t care if they read stone tablets and look into crystal balls for news, that’s their problem, not mine. It isn’t worth giving up rights over it.

Canada consists of more than your little piece of Ontario, Jay.

Yes it does, but it isn’t little, its big, and it’s the driving force of this nation, and it’s the most productive and most generous and the brightest. We are the glue that binds this nation, and without Ontario you would all be part of America by now

 

[Jay]

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Heh heh heh...Imagine if all the news he could get was stuff that I was the editor of and I programmed all the music too. Why I do believe his head would explode.

You believe that because you have crazy ideas and horrible music tastes?

Why would you want to do something like that anyways? And you wonder why I don't vote left...

 

[Jay]

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Until that happy day,Jay has a bright future ahead as a WalMart greeter.

I wouldn't take your job away from you missle.

 

[Reverend Blair]

And God knows you lefties are watching the media, who owns it and says what on it...classic lefty behavior.

It's called staying informed, Jay. You should give it a shot some time.

I don’t give a rat’s ass if all the private media in my area is pro NDP and worships Stalin and believe the Communist Manifesto is divinely inspired.

And yet you whine about the CBC and insist the press is "liberal".

Free enterprise works.

Not unless it is limited. Free enterprise, in the way you promote it, is really the worst form of anarchy.

The jack-booted Nazis in this country are going to control how the media works and keep lists of ppl with guns.

I thought L'il Stevie Harper favoured loafers.

I didn’t know Marx was into Freedom of the press and Freedom of expression, I know you don’t like it, and I thought Marx didn’t either.

Nice try at taking it out of context, Jay. It didn't work though...I clearly referring to your acceptance of monopolies by private corporations.

I don’t care if they read stone tablets and look into crystal balls for news, that’s their problem, not mine. It isn’t worth giving up rights over it.

We're talking about preserving rights, not taking them away. Press monopolies demonstrably limit freedom of information and expression.

Yes it does, but it isn’t little, its big, and it’s the driving force of this nation, and it’s the most productive and most generous and the brightest. We are the glue that binds this nation, and without Ontario you would all be part of America by now

You forgot to mention that Ontario votes Liberal, Jay.

You believe that because you have crazy ideas and horrible music tastes?

No, I believe that because I think it would be funny to see you squirm, JJ.

 

[EagleSmack]

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It wasn't Peapod doing the edits, it was me. I will continue to do so as long as Eaglesmack refuses to stay on topic.

How convenient that you were doing the edits. It does not surprise me. Here you are crying about censorship and you yourself are censoring.

 

[EagleSmack]

:wave: :canada: :quebec: :toothy2:

Is this on topic?

 

[EagleSmack]

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oh rush limbaugh dosn't lie either does bill orilley ones a drug addict and the others a pervert oh thats why there right wing its some sort of prerequesite

What about this?

 

[EagleSmack]

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Heh heh heh...Imagine if all the news he could get was stuff that I was the editor of and I programmed all the music too. Why I do believe his head would explode.

And that is what you are striving for correct?

 

[mrmom2]

Hey smacker good to have you back done any research yet?

 

[EagleSmack]

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Hey smacker good to have you back done any research yet?

Hey.. its the resident fairy!

Good to be back... have you found a clue yet?

 

[peapod]

hehehehhe..well this board likes fairys lip smack..what we don't like are trolls. Mom don't you worry your pretty little head about lip smack. :wink:

 

[Jay]

And yet you whine about the CBC and insist the press is "liberal".

Its also run by the Feds Blair, its not part of the "free press". We have been over that a few thousand times. The CBC is fair game. If it was private and did exactly the same thing it does now, I wouldn't say a bloody thing about it, unlike you who complains about free press and loves the Fed's press.

And for that matter, if the lovely Peapod is correct and all of Canada loves the CBC, you would think it would survive just fine with out taxpayers money. I dunno would it?

Free enterprise works.

Not unless it is limited. Free enterprise, in the way you promote it, is really the worst form of anarchy.

And it is limited enough already. No need to bring in laws to limit it further. I'm not suggesting the left hasn't done anything good, they have. I'm just not willing to discuss it with you, as you would misinterpreted it or construe it to mean I agree with the left in the way you would like. Free enterprise works, its simple.

Your actually avoiding the point by limiting your response to what you did on that point. I maintain that if you are not happy with your media in your area, and you have the gumption, start your own. Don't go run and draft laws we don't need. If any laws need to be written, I would suggest something that would help make opening up your own media outlet easier, if that can be done.
So you have the right to open up your own media outlet and you have the CBC. You have no problem.

I thought L'il Stevie Harper favoured loafers.

He does, its his opponents who favour jack-boots.

Nice try at taking it out of context, Jay. It didn't work though...I clearly referring to your acceptance of monopolies by private corporations.

Screw that...I'm not trying to get out of it. I admit I don't have a huge problem with private monopolies creeping up, like Microsoft and its monopoly on OPSs. I believe this sort of thing is bound to happen, and if the competition can not come up with a better product it is going to remain that way, unless the government busts it up. You have no problem with the Government having monopolies, and that is communism, you believe in the collective, I believe in the private, That would make you the ( Jay uses his discretion and doesn't call Rev a BLANK because he knows Rev doesn't like to be called BLANK even if Rev is a BLANK) BLANK.
I understand that from time to time the government has to bust up a monopoly, like Standard Oil. In reality we can't have monopolies on oil in the USA, we need competition or the price of oil will be set by one person and that isn't how we set oil prices in a free market. This doesn't imply however that it is OK to legislate who can own what media where and when, because the government should not be guessing what the ppl want to hear, that is up to public to decide and get involved in, not the government.

We're talking about preserving rights, not taking them away. Press monopolies demonstrably limit freedom of information and expression.

I know you mean well Rev, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. You will be restricting my right to own press in the fashion I wish to own it in. And that isn't acceptable. As I've already stated, if you do not like the press where you live start another. Sounds like there is good money to be made in BC and Saskatchewan and a need to be filled. Feel like starting up a news paper with me?

You forgot to mention that Ontario votes Liberal, Jay.

Federally we do, provincially we don't. We would vote conservative if we had a leader from Ontario at the conservative helm. I think John Tory is one to watch, but I can't say that definitely. We don't vote NDP mind you because they would shut down all our industry and we are the driving force in this nation, in other words we pay the bills around here.

No, I believe that because I think it would be funny to see you squirm, JJ.

You will have to wait along time my friend. Besides Dear you don't want to back ppl like me into corners...

 

[mrmom2]

No research eh ?Typical right wing nut job response ,no facts just propoganda and insults. You really are a wart on the ass of U.S. society!

 

[Reverend Blair]

Its also run by the Feds Blair, its not part of the "free press". We have been over that a few thousand times. The CBC is fair game. If it was private and did exactly the same thing it does now, I wouldn't say a bloody thing about it, unlike you who complains about free press and loves the Fed's press.

And yet you and yours have complained about the so-called "liberal press" for years. Apparently you don't care who owns it if it doesn;t say what you want it to.

And for that matter, if the lovely Peapod is correct and all of Canada loves the CBC, you would think it would survive just fine with out taxpayers money. I dunno would it?

Not without ads. That's one of the things that Canadians love about CBC radio. Are even perpherally aware that the United States is the only developed country without a state-owned broadcaster, BTW? Another area where your heros lag sadly behind the rest of the world.

And it is limited enough already

No it isn't.

I'm just not willing to discuss it with you, as you would misinterpreted it or construe it to mean I agree with the left in the way you would like.

You're afraid to discuss because even you can see the plethora of examples of the failure of our current system.

Your actually avoiding the point by limiting your response to what you did on that point.

I'm not avoiding a damned thing. You are, once again, WRONG! :lol:

He does, its his opponents who favour jack-boots.

I'll bet you don't even know what jack-boots look like. You're reference to Nazis clearly falls closer to the Harper camp, who would do away with any opposition to their insane ideas, than to anybody else.

Screw that...I'm not trying to get out of it.

You did exactly that, JJ. You took my statement completely out of context. Did you think nobody reads posts around here? Did you think I wasn't going to remember? You got caught lying and cheating, buddy.

I believe this sort of thing is bound to happen, and if the competition can not come up with a better product it is going to remain that way, unless the government busts it up.

Which takes us right back to you being in support of fulfilling one of the basic tenets of Marxism.

In reality we can't have monopolies on oil in the USA,

Giving up the pretense that you're Canadian, JJ?

You will be restricting my right to own press in the fashion I wish to own it in.

Have you not been paying attention? Is your reading comprhension so low that you can't understand what I've said. Let me repeat it for you. Nobody is saying that you can't own a press outlet. We are saying that you cannot own all of the press outlets in an area.

Federally we do, provincially we don't.

Hmmm....I'm forty. It seems to me that there have been a few non-conservative governments in Ontario in my life. It's also strong union territory...not very conservative there. So what's the deal, JJ...are you experiencing some sort of amnesia?

You will have to wait along time my friend. Besides Dear you don't want to back ppl like me into corners...

JJ, people like you always think they are being backed into a corner because they are afraid of their own shadows. Don't threaten me, JJ. It's rude.

 

[EagleSmack]

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**Eaglesmack forgot to be polite**