Batons are old school. We have Tazers. No danger of arm strain. Just point and shoot.
Loons to the left of me
Loons to the right
Here I am stuck in the middle
With taxes to pay.
Do you think that 4 North Korean defectors should be returned?
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Batons are old school. We have Tazers. No danger of arm strain. Just point and shoot.
Loons to the left of me
Loons to the right
Here I am stuck in the middle
With taxes to pay.
I do apologize for the "sonny" thing.....I thought you were a kid.
Don't believe in God? Fine. It's a free country. Aren't you lucky. Personally, I can't make the leap of faith required to believe creation was an accident. And I am not Catholic.
Uh -huh. I am not responsible. And I am no friend of the banks. Nor the thieves that run them. Unfortunately, freedom can be a rough ride. And what the hell does that have to do with the relative value of the super-powers???? Those families are fortunate to live in the greatest civilization in history, one that has made us ALL free and relatively rich.
Mind you, I do agree the gap is widening way too far.
Mohammed married a six year old girl. He took her virginity at age nine. Among Muslim fundamentalists, this is still an acceptable practice.
Mohammed conquered the Arab Peninsula by the sword. The Koran commands the murder of pagans that refuse to convert, and the Hadith demands the slaughter of the Jews before Judgement Day.
Thus a war-mongering pedophile.
Tower 7 was damaged by the collapse of the WTC twin towers, and burned unreservedly for several hours....it would have been amazing if it had stood.....the sprinkler system was useless due to low water pressure.
If you don't like oil, quit driving, shut off the electricity, and turn off the heat. Oh, and probably you should quit your job. Then I will listen to you criticize policy in oil rich countries.......
Oil is the life blood of western civilization, and will remain so for decades to come.
When did I say we should nuke anyone???
Mandela and Gandhi?
One that refused to renounce violence and one that advised the Jews of Europe to commit suicide to avoid violence?
Are you slightly confused?
Oh, sorry....rhetorical question.
Then 200 people would die and the RCMP will figure out a copt out - "We swear, we had no idea they couldn't read the warnings!"
LOL @ Baals ~ my post was not directed at you but at Colpy who loves wars and has pushed for it in many countries even though he never offered to enlist.
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''at least 3 generations of those defectors' families are already in camps and/or eliminated, as per DPRK policy'
Dunno if that's true. In any case, running away from a problem won't solve it. The thing to do is develop some friggin b@lls and to fight the government if you don't like what it stands for. Hell, many Haitians claim they were victims of political repression at home and escaped to the USA only to have the government send them back to their doom. I haven't seen anyone protest about that.
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''at least 3 generations of those defectors' families are already in camps and/or eliminated, as per DPRK policy'
Dunno if that's true. In any case, running away from a problem won't solve it. The thing to do is develop some friggin b@lls and to fight the government if you don't like what it stands for. Hell, many Haitians claim they were victims of political repression at home and escaped to the USA only to have the government send them back to their doom. I haven't seen anyone protest about that.
ha ha ha ha, who the hell is buying into your fear mongering? certainly not me.
maybe you should look at the reasoning why those trade towers were smashed into, and i'll give you a hint, it's not because they hate our freedom. :lol:
Yeah, when your post begins right off the bat with a personal insult, that deserves a thumbs down.
The dodgers in question were not in the same struggle as we are, they were in Iraq or going to Iraq.... our troops are not fighting in there, so get a clue.
The whole situation of them wanting to avoid being sent into an illegal war is just and a valid reason to not go back. Many of them volunteered to join the military, yet many of their either joined before this illegal war started, or joined, did one or more tours in Iraq, were being forced to go back for more tours, and eventually grew to understand, First Hand mind you, just how pointless that war was/is.
But this has been debated many times before in other threads..... the point here being that if we have no problem sending people back to be forced to fight an illegal war and a war that goes against their own beliefs and principles, then there should be no issue sending these people back to North Korea, regardless if NK or the US are our ally or our enemy.
I understand the reasoning behind the post you responded to, however I don't believe they should be sent back, no more then I believe the US dodgers should be sent back to the US.
It doesn't matter if someone faces execution, torture, jail time or a dishonourable discharge...... someone is being punished for standing up for what they believe in and that's all that matters.
It doesn't matter. They're being punished for standing up for something they believe in, and refusing to do or live in a matter that goes against what they believe in.
And if you think that's all a dodger in the US has to worry about, you really don't know wtf you're talking about, because it goes beyond just what you described. I wonder how well they're looked upon by their friends & neighbours.... I wonder how easy it is for them to get a decent job they can live off of. I wonder how much sh*t they have tossed their way for being "Unpatriotic"
If you think they can live a perfectly normal life that isn't diminished from everybody else's down there, then once again, you don't know anything about the country and its people you seem to suck-hole all the damn time.
Maybe you should move down to the US if you love their way of life so much, since we seem to have everything so screwed up all the time.
...... and now looking through the rest of this topic, I can see it's stooped to petty insults and bickering, so I'm done with this thread.
True.....except that the USA is still our ally, no matter where they are.
First of all, international law is a joke. The idea of "legal" or "illegal" war is so overwhelmingly brain-dead..........there is no authority over the national authority....so any war is legal, by definition.
Oh, And Iraq is free. That is a point, all in itself.
But, be that as it may, I do see your point about a war one finds morally unacceptable.......they then have a choice......
Baloney. For one thing, North Korea is still at war with the South....for another, the punishment awarded a North Korean is excessive. For a third, they DID NOT volunteer.....I fail to understand the intellectual vacuity of those who think these things are relative.....mushy, mushy thinking.
Draft dodgers had no choice, draft dodgers had not taken the oath....I have no problem with draft dodgers.....except to doubt their loyalty to any nation, natural or adopted.
No, they are being punished for breaking a solemn oath. If they find that to be less of a moral problem than going to war in Iraq (or Afghanistan), well believe it or not, I sympathize. But they need to accept that their choice has consequences, and a debt needs to be paid. Stand up, say "I will not go" and take your medicine, because the medicine is fair and not at all excessive.And that way you make a statement where it needs to be made....in your country, in the military.
Running away is pure, unadulterated, dishonourable cowardice. Out with them.
So what? Different choices, different prices. And I think you overestimate the anger directed at one that makes a stand.
Yeah....lots of relatives down there....nice people. Same as us.
.....I'm CANADIAN, at least as much as YOU.
First of all, I don't CARE why they flew into the Twin Towers.........I imagine it has something to do with us making them filthy rich paying inflated prices for oil to a cartel......
But if someone attacks my friend's house and kills them and some of my family as well...I might be interested in the reasons, after I'm damned sure my enemies are dead.
You can lean over and take it if you like.
Not my thing.
No of course you don't care. This is the attitude of much of the western world, we can do whatever we want to foreign countries... pillage their resources, rape, and brutalize their citizens. it's no shocker to anyone but the ignorant that they would retaliate.
Not an apt analogy. Amerikkka has many enemies as a result of their imperialistic endeavors over history. If you truly give a **** about stopping terrorism, you start with your foreign policy.
You can kill a few of your enemies, but if you don't get to the root of the problem, your house, your friend's house and your family will continue being targeted by future generations.
Bull****.
We have made much of the ME rich paying for oil.....how that is "rape", I am not sure.......
We do not brutalize their citizens.....they do a fine job of that themselves.
Your idea of conditions in the ME, and the psychology of their people is without foundation......did you read the WHO link I sent you? 91% of Egyptian women have undergone FGM. I suppose the Yanks are at fault for that as well!
Yeah! Let's blame White People and Americans! If it weren't for those "oppressive Yanks", the Germans would be shoving the lot of you savages into ovens and carving your backward countries into living space.
Probably should what have happened; not a Nazi apologist, but at the same time I am not comfortable with the west being extorted by Arab oil cartels / mafias like the Sauds and OPEC. Even though these people are making billions in profit; apparently, things are so *bad* that we have millions of bogus refugees from the Middle East and they get more funding than our own homeless and working poor and love to throw a "Youth Revolt" (Arab Revolt) in our cities.
Probably should what have happened; not a Nazi apologist, but at the same time I am not comfortable with the west being extorted by Arab oil cartels / mafias like the Sauds and OPEC. Even though these people are making billions in profit; apparently, things are so *bad* that we have millions of bogus refugees from the Middle East and they get more funding than our own homeless and working poor and love to throw a "Youth Revolt" (Arab Revolt) in our cities.
That money doesn't go into enriching the life of it's citizens but to the dictators brutalizing their own people.
Yes, Amerikkka has brutalized, pillaged and raped for decades. Not just the middle east but South America as well.
I always liken US foreign policy to the 'bull in the china shop'.
That is why planes hit the WTC.
It was a sad thing for all those people to die but, even sadder was that instead of opening the eyes of americans to their global reputation it unified them into getting behind more wars.
I feel sorry for the US citizens, they are fed lies, are manipulated into a false sense of fear, and asked to sacrifice their sons so some rich bastard banker or oil exec can get richer at the expense of another country.
They really helped out in Iraq. Once beautiful cities with histories dating back 1000's of years are now smoking holes in the ground. The people have no government except the one installed and paid off by the US bankers and oilmen. Their homes and possesions are blown to bits and their families are killed in the process.
Can't wait for America to 'help' us!
That is why planes hit the WTC.
It was a sad thing for all those people to die but, even sadder was that instead of opening the eyes of americans to their global reputation it unified them into getting behind more wars.
I feel sorry for the US citizens, they are fed lies, are manipulated into a false sense of fear, and asked to sacrifice their sons so some rich bastard banker or oil exec can get richer at the expense of another country.
They really helped out in Iraq. Once beautiful cities with histories dating back 1000's of years are now smoking holes in the ground. The people have no government except the one installed and paid off by the US bankers and oilmen. Their homes and possesions are blown to bits and their families are killed in the process.
Can't wait for America to 'help' us!
I see.
Yup....the Yanks are so terrible....they donate more money to foreign food and medical aid than any other country.....they rebuilt Europe practically single-handedly after the Second World War. They rebuilt their enemies, leaving them as free, democratic nations that soon became the industrial and financial engines of their regions. They have been the bulwark against the communist powers....that oversaw the murder of tens of millions of innocents.......and they stood firm long enough to break the back of the Evil Empire.......
Yup, geez, those beautiful cities! Where Saddam murdered tens of thousands of his own people....but at least he didn't damage the architecture.
Well, except for the occasional bullet hole, easily plastered over....
Yep, the people in one of the freest nations on earth, and the economy that stills fuels the world....I feel so sorry for them. Rich, free, and powerful.....my condolences.
Suffering a little penis envy there??? Typical Canadian "sour grapes" inferiority complex.
The Americans are our friends and allies......and our family. Get used to it, we are tied to them in every way imaginable, we are closer any two other nations on earth......we depend on them financially, and militarily. And yes, they have treated us well.
You guys just can't figure out who your friends are.....you would prefer China?
The Chinese have no mercy as a people - these are the same ones who eat human fetuses and cute, adorable dogs.
Chinese solution to the "African Question" is to send in Colonists and eventually they will be thrown to the wall and shot. I imagine the same could be said for Vancouver, there won't be a single non-Han person in Vancouver if the city was conquered by China.
"Time fears the Chinese people" is a common proverb in Cantonese. They think of the long term future and plan no mercy for anyone else. These are the people who practiced a racial ideology for thousands of years. You think the Nazi were bad? Well that's what the Chinese were until "inferior" British people taught them otherwise.
Ironically, leave it up to a British (Irish) man like Bill Clinton to sell Chinese our missile technologies
Chinese solution to the "African Question" is to send in Colonists and eventually they will be thrown to the wall and shot. I imagine the same could be said for Vancouver, there won't be a single non-Han person in Vancouver if the city was conquered by China.
"Time fears the Chinese people" is a common proverb in Cantonese. They think of the long term future and plan no mercy for anyone else. These are the people who practiced a racial ideology for thousands of years. You think the Nazi were bad? Well that's what the Chinese were until "inferior" British people taught them otherwise.
Ironically, leave it up to a British (Irish) man like Bill Clinton to sell Chinese our missile technologies
Trotz - and you eat cows which are sacred animals in India. You will eat lamb...how cute and cuddly are they. Just because they will eat something we consider a pet doesn't mean anything....and how long would it be your pet if all other food was gone and you were starving.
Colpy - What can I say that I haven't already. Your attitude reeks of those espoused by many horrible figures through history, 'we are great and powerful', 'we can do no wrong', 'we are so much better than everyone else', yadda yadda yadda.... Your biggest problem is that you believe that because their your morals, ethics, values they are the best and everyone else is wrong. Go ahead and enjoy your narrow little view of life from your lofty little perch and don't forget to occaisionally grace the rest of us without a brain with your ultimate wisdom.
Colpy - What can I say that I haven't already. Your attitude reeks of those espoused by many horrible figures through history, 'we are great and powerful', 'we can do no wrong', 'we are so much better than everyone else', yadda yadda yadda.... Your biggest problem is that you believe that because their your morals, ethics, values they are the best and everyone else is wrong. Go ahead and enjoy your narrow little view of life from your lofty little perch and don't forget to occaisionally grace the rest of us without a brain with your ultimate wisdom.
Thank you.
I will continue to try and further your education; cast rays of enlightenment through the fog of your ignorance.....so to speak.
Try this on for size: Western civilization is the absolute apex of human development. It has made the people fortunate enough to live in its benevolent societies rich, free, and powerful. The simple truth is that our culture and our way of life IS superior.......and we should have the self-confidence to promote it, and give up on this "Oh, every culture is equal in value" Bull****.
For example, you can list the free nations on earth outside of western Europe.....the ones where the citizens have a stake and a say in their government, the ones with free speech and individual rights..........
Now....how many of the sprang from the British tradition? How many nations benefited in so many ways from the domination of British culture? Start listing them........and you find the most advanced, the most powerful, the freest nations on earth.......even the most rapidly developing free nation (India).
I refuse to compare on equal terms my culture, that has enshrined individual rights like no other in the history of man, with some medieval bunch of lunatics that follow a long-dead psychotic war-mongering pedophile, and whose culture has actually devolved over the past 1,000 years.
Chew on that.
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I see you can't keep up.
Not really. You are just so far behind you think your in front....