Do you believe in past lives?

[spaminator]

i'm more interested in future life progression hypnosis. who i'm going to be. hopefully very rich.

 

[Kathie Bondar]

Unless one is born into a primitive tribe and remains isolated from the rest of the world, everyone has lived before, according to those who investigate reincarnation. There is only one who has supposedly managed to achieve the ultimate goal with one incarnation, and that was the being known as Jesus. He alone, so far as I am aware of, remembered his origin and his life's purpose for the time and place. Better than most of us have managed. He set the standards for his time and place.

Young children are the closest to their origin and tend to remember things that seem impossible to their parents.

The supposition, is that we set our goals for our lifetimes, and attempt to reach them. However, there are miscalculations, accidental happenings and unforeseen events that repeatedly derail our lives. The ultimate goal, of course is reintegration with (not sure how to put this, as I am not particularly religious) into the aware force, entity that constitutes all of existence. The force/energy from which we originated. Since we are merely a speck of all existence, I see me as first a portion of a sentient universe, but also the means by which, that original sentient Force or Entity evolves.



That may be so, but how many times have you used your intuition in a situation where it was impossible to consult science and it's skepticism?? In my experience, this is how we mostly live our lives, not by consulting those pundits who are scientifically and skeptically inclined. How many times has your intuition (or your unconscious knowledge & experience) failed you?? Bet not as often as those financial,or political experts have. Science is all about having all the available information and for reincarnation it (science) has refused to acknowledge it. Pretty hard to investigate something they refuse to acknowledge may exist,wouldn't you agree?

Of course, human perception is faulty, for goodness sake, our sight, hearing and even time itself is not as it seems. But, I will trust my gut, intuition or that sudden "knowing" inspite of all those scientifics evaluations to the contrary. It is exceedingly easy to dismiss what is not seen, or experienced or possible to detect by our modern machines. That does not mean they do not exist, just that we have not found the means of revealing them.

Actually, Jesus has lived on Earth several times, and if you learn to understand telepathy, you may check it with him yourself. I have. My first record of him panned out as Joshua, leader of the Jews, approx. a thousand years later he lived as Jesus, approx. nine hundred years later he lived as St. Francis of Assisi, and at the end of the 20th century he lived again for seven years in Croatia, until he was stabbed to death by a Catholic priest who sexually abused him.
We all come back to Earth approx. thousand years apart, could be as a man or a woman for the duration. For example, the woman known as Mary mother of Jesus has been Joshua's father Nun, then of course as Mary mother of Jesus, then she lived again as a freed slave, a soldier who made it good in Egypt during the Fatamid empire, next she lived a short life as an Arab woman in the early 20th century, and was reborn 30 years later in Europe as a Christian woman.
Everyone has a story, and each and every one of us are born with the perception of being the exact center of the universe.

 

[Machjo]

I don't believe in reincarnation... maybe because I didn't believe in it in my past life?

 

[SLM]

Well maybe you will in the future.

 

[Machjo]

One thing I do believe in is soul travel, and that's because I'd actually had dreams about the future from a first-person viewpoint.

If you've ever had that deja-vu experience, it may be that you had such a dream and just can't remember it.

 

[SLM]

I am skeptical by nature but I will concede that there can always be possibilities. There is a lot that we don't understand.

The only thing that I believe for certain is that we are all more than the sum of are parts, we have an intangible quality. I don't define it beyond that, if others want or feel the need to, that's their prerogative.

 

[JLM]

They say that having kids is inherited, if your parents didn't have any kids, chances are you won't either! :lol:

 

[Vancouverite]

I believe in reincarnation, so, yes, I believe in past lives. I also believe a higher power is putting us through this, so we can learn something. That said, as I get older, I wonder what the meaning of life is all about. I mean, if you're a spider, the best you can hope for is that something else doesn't eat you, while you go around eating insects - what's the point of that? Same for humans, in a larger sense, I guess. So I don't know why we live.

 

[Cliffy]

I believe in reincarnation, so, yes, I believe in past lives. I also believe a higher power is putting us through this, so we can learn something. That said, as I get older, I wonder what the meaning of life is all about. I mean, if you're a spider, the best you can hope for is that something else doesn't eat you, while you go around eating insects - what's the point of that? Same for humans, in a larger sense, I guess. So I don't know why we live.

We are all just replicating DNA. There is nothing lost or gained. There is a finite amount of energy. Perhaps when we decompose and our DNa is absorbed into another life form, we carry a cellular memory of a former existence. What I always found funny was how many people who claimed to be Cleopatra or Caesar in a past life. The chances are that we do carry some of their genes and that is where the memory comes from.

Or, we are just a bunch of lunatics trying to justify what is a pointless existence.

 

[JLM]

We are all just replicating DNA. There is nothing lost or gained. There is a finite amount of energy. Perhaps when we decompose and our DNa is absorbed into another life form, we carry a cellular memory of a former existence. What I always found funny was how many people who claimed to be Cleopatra or Caesar in a past life. The chances are that we do carry some of their genes and that is where the memory comes from.

Or, we are just a bunch of lunatics trying to justify what is a pointless existence.

Your second conclusion could be closer to the truth, but who knows for sure? :lol:

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Or, we are just a bunch of lunatics trying to justify what is a pointless existence.

I'd say that's close to the right answer, and that looking to things like telepathy, past and future lives, and all the other unsubstantiated mysticism that's appeared in this thread, is the wrong place to look for meaning. We have to create our own meaning, find a point for our existence ourselves, it won't come from anywhere outside us.

 

[bluebyrd35]

Names, dates, places, references, links...? You can't keep making such extraordinary claims and expect people to just take your word for it.

Look up Shanti Devi. There is a short summary in Wikipedia. It is only one of thousands of tales.

i'm more interested in future life progression hypnosis. who i'm going to be. hopefully very rich.

Good luck on that. Even when one is very rich, it does not guarantee satisfying life.

 

[JLM]

I'd say that's close to the right answer, and that looking to things like telepathy, past and future lives, and all the other unsubstantiated mysticism that's appeared in this thread, is the wrong place to look for meaning. We have to create our own meaning, find a point for our existence ourselves, it won't come from anywhere outside us.

While there are many things that can't be proven (perhaps were never meant to be) there are many things that can't be ruled out either! :smile:

 

[bluebyrd35]

Actually, Jesus has lived on Earth several times, and if you learn to understand telepathy, you may check it with him yourself. I have. My first record of him panned out as Joshua, leader of the Jews, approx. a thousand years later he lived as Jesus, approx. nine hundred years later he lived as St. Francis of Assisi, and at the end of the 20th century he lived again for seven years in Croatia, until he was stabbed to death by a Catholic priest who sexually abused him.
We all come back to Earth approx. thousand years apart, could be as a man or a woman for the duration. For example, the woman known as Mary mother of Jesus has been Joshua's father Nun, then of course as Mary mother of Jesus, then she lived again as a freed slave, a soldier who made it good in Egypt during the Fatamid empire, next she lived a short life as an Arab woman in the early 20th century, and was reborn 30 years later in Europe as a Christian woman.
Everyone has a story, and each and every one of us are born with the perception of being the exact center of the universe.

I had female twins and I certainly know about telephathy. In playing games involving telepathy was what we did on long trips. Your scenario is too tight. If free will is involved, we all chose.....when we come back,... ie who we will marry, who our parents will be (with their consent). We make pacts with others as to who will help with introductions, those we will repay for wrongs, those we will accept repayment for such wrongs from. In fact, we do our best to organize our life to even the score and achieve the highest goals possible.

The younger souls are still racking up scores they will need to settle later on. But hey, that is how we learn there are consequence to actions. I only give you the meager bits I have stumbled upon.

We are all just replicating DNA. There is nothing lost or gained. There is a finite amount of energy. Perhaps when we decompose and our DNa is absorbed into another life form, we carry a cellular memory of a former existence. What I always found funny was how many people who claimed to be Cleopatra or Caesar in a past life. The chances are that we do carry some of their genes and that is where the memory comes from.

Or, we are just a bunch of lunatics trying to justify what is a pointless existence.

Hmmmm.....DNA only indicates one's physical geneology in my opinion. I know from experience that we are able and do step into the future from time to time...how do you explain the exact happenings of a dream that occurred before hand?? We are definitely more than DNA and we from time to time step outside of the restrictions of time.

Simply before sleeping for a small period of time, ask for proof that there is more than what seems apparent. I got proof in spades.....and in so frivolous a manner as to be laughable.

 

[JLM]

When we are reincarnated does our D.N.A. go with us?

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Look up Shanti Devi. There is a short summary in Wickipedia. It is only one of thousands of tales.

And the first thing I see is that there's a dispute about the neutrality of that article. But so what? Tales aren't evidence, doesn't matter how many of them there are, they're just tales. The history of any culture is bulging with myths and legends, just dip into the Bible a bit and you'll find the major ones for this culture. People make things up all the time, and that particular tale is from a culture with a pre-existing belief in reincarnation, which is reason enough in itself to doubt the neutrality of the investigation. I'll say it again, no such case that's been subjected to proper investigation has survived skeptical scrutiny, there's always a more prosaic explanation, as there was in the case of Bridey Murphy.

Carl Sagan conceded in his book, The Demon Haunted World, that such tales of reincarnation are one of the things in parapsychology that deserve serious investigation, and I'm inclined to agree, but it's not been widely done, and the people who generally do such investigations are credulous parapsychologists like Dr. Ian Stevenson, who seem not to know, or to have forgotten, the rules for conducting proper investigations. The evidence for reincarnation just isn't there, and until it is, I'll maintain the default position of doubting all such claims.

 

[bluebyrd35]

When we are reincarnated does our D.N.A. go with us?

Why would it?? Would a soul or essence have a DNA?? Not really. Wouldn't free will allow us to chose which parents would serve our goals? Do the parents need to be of the same line of genetics to serve the best interests? If our chosen course suits a certain pair of parents, and our goals blend in with theirs, why does it need to be in the same genetic line as our previous incarnation.

And the first thing I see is that there's a dispute about the neutrality of that article. But so what? Tales aren't evidence, doesn't matter how many of them there are, they're just tales. The history of any culture is bulging with myths and legends, just dip into the Bible a bit and you'll find the major ones for this culture. People make things up all the time, and that particular tale is from a culture with a pre-existing belief in reincarnation, which is reason enough in itself to doubt the neutrality of the investigation. I'll say it again, no such case that's been subjected to proper investigation has survived skeptical scrutiny, there's always a more prosaic explanation, as there was in the case of Bridey Murphy.

Carl Sagan conceded in his book, The Demon Haunted World, that such tales of reincarnation are one of the things in parapsychology that deserve serious investigation, and I'm inclined to agree, but it's not been widely done, and the people who generally do such investigations are credulous parapsychologists like Dr. Ian Stevenson, who seem not to know, or to have forgotten, the rules for conducting proper investigations. The evidence for reincarnation just isn't there, and until it is, I'll maintain the default position of doubting all such claims.

Oh I concede the possibility of exaggeration but if one million persons experience a certain phenomenon, I tend to concede the possibilities of there being some truth in so many stories. I reject the bible as the most evil book ever published. But many people find inspiration and peace therein. However, I personally feel the human race would be so much better off without religion.

I am miles ahead of many because through so many personal experiences, I have been given comfort and reassurance when the world seemed black. I am prejudiced, because of this. It really doesn't make a great difference to my life if I change anyone's opinion. I have been given a freedom to express what I perceive. Will it result in fabulous potential for humans......highly unlikely. We are all on the same road, just travelling different paths to get there.

 

[Cliffy]

It really doesn't make a great difference to my life if I change anyone's opinion. I have been given a freedom to express what I perceive. Will it result in fabulous potential for humans......highly unlikely. We are all on the same road, just travelling different paths to get there.

Are you familiar with the work of Jane Roberts? If not you would probably enjoy it very much. Her book "The Nature of Persoanl Reality" is, to me, the diffinitive word on the subject. And she wrote this stuff before the metaphysical and parapsychology craze came into fashion. Much of what I have seen since I read her work has been a less elegant rehash of what she said.

 

[bluebyrd35]

Are you familiar with the work of Jane Roberts? If not you would probably enjoy it very much. Her book "The Nature of Persoanl Reality" is, to me, the diffinitive word on the subject. And she wrote this stuff before the metaphysical and parapsychology craze came into fashion. Much of what I have seen since I read her work has been a less elegant rehash of what she said.

Yes, read all her books. Have you read the Michael books?? There is a website exploring the same idea.

 

[Omicron]

Only if you're a looser with enough potential for the Big Kahuna to thinks it's worth bothering to send you back for another round instead of tossing you into the garbage heap for Satan-fungus to eat.