Do you believe in past lives?

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Cliffy

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bluebyrd35 said:
Yes, read all her books. Have you read the Michael books?? There is a website exploring the same idea.
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No. There is another book that I quite like. I think it now call David's Gift but was originally called Losing your Mind. It is one of my favourites and there is a web site for that.

Here is a listing of available copies: BookFinder.com: Search Results (Matching Books)

Can't locate the web site. If I find it I will PM you.
 
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Only if you're a looser with enough potential for the Big Kahuna to thinks it's worth bothering to send you back for another round instead of tossing you into the garbage for the Satan-fungus to eat.
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LOL What you consider a loser must be pretty acceptable, after all here you are. Everyone, I suspect must experience everything over a long period of time. I sure hope, I have already suffered decapitation sometime in the past, how about you??

Cliffy said:
No. There is another book that I quite like. I think it now call David's Gift but was originally called Losing your Mind. It is one of my favourites and there is a web site for that.

Here is a listing of available copies: BookFinder.com: Search Results (Matching Books)

Can't locate the web site. If I find it I will PM you.
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Thanks, I will check it out. You really should try to find the Michael books, they are even more eye opening. They are out of print now, but sometimes you can find them on ebay etc.
I know there is a website that gives a great deal of information. I will try to find it for you.
 
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Here's how I see all this mystical stuff. It's the difference between a good explanation and a bad explanation. A good explanation is one you can't vary without it losing its explanatory power. For instance, we have an explanation for the seasons, involving the earth's axial tilt, the differential heating effect of radiation falling at various angles on a surface, the fixed orientation of spinning bodies in space, the earth's orbital parameters, and so forth. Every part of it is functionally necessary to the explanation, you can't change any of it without losing the explanation. That's a good explanation. Alternatively, the ancient Greeks had an explanation involving various deities spending part of the year in the underworld and part of it in this world, and it did explain the observations available to them. The Romans produced an explanation similar in principle, but it was different deities doing different things for different reasons. They changed it all, and it explained just as much. Those are bad explanations.

All this stuff about past lives and reincarnation and all the rest of it, those too are bad explanations. Having no explanation is better than having a bad explanation.
 
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Dexter Sinister said:
Here's how I see all this mystical stuff. It's the difference between a good explanation and a bad explanation. A good explanation is one you can't vary without it losing its explanatory power. For instance, we have an explanation for the seasons, involving the earth's axial tilt, the differential heating effect of radiation falling at various angles on a surface, the fixed orientation of spinning bodies in space, the earth's orbital parameters, and so forth. Every part of it is functionally necessary to the explanation, you can't change any of it without losing the explanation. That's a good explanation. Alternatively, the ancient Greeks had an explanation involving various deities spending part of the year in the underworld and part of it in this world, and it did explain the observations available to them. The Romans produced an explanation similar in principle, but it was different deities doing different things for different reasons. They changed it all, and it explained just as much. Those are bad explanations.

All this stuff about past lives and reincarnation and all the rest of it, those too are bad explanations. Having no explanation is better than having a bad explanation.
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Now that is fine except for a rather large problem. Like the big bang, there is very little evidence to point to as proof of reincarnation or an afterlife. Memories, dreams and of course the testimony of those who have the ability to see and sense what many of us cannot, does not constitute proof, anymore than the big bang theory proves the birth of the universe for those who believe in an all powerful God.

"Ian Stevenson, a psychiatrist from the University of Virginia, investigated more than 2500 cases of young children who claimed to remember their past life. He published many books which were culmination of his 40 years of research in this field."

Sometimes lack of proof doesn't actually mean impossibility just that so far, we have not found a way to prove the theory.
 
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according to what I have been told by some who believe in after lives, it is the 'soul',(which they also
believe exists), that moves thru to a new life.

The so called memory of children comes thru their brain, and according to those who believe in after lives,
it is not the brain that moves on, the brain decomposes with the rest of the body, so there is no way
a child has any memory of any past life, what he does have is a great imagination, which is good, but
is being confused with something else which does not exist.

A lack of proof is just that, no proof that any such idea actual exists, and
until there is proof, I cannot believe in any such idea, it is imagination,
which I do believe strongly in, I have a great imagination, it can take me to
very interesting places, and ideas, but I come back to reality and realize how
wonderful the brain is, to be able to manufacture imaginary visions, and that
is how all the great movies were made, great books were written, etc.
 
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The Big Bang is actually very well attested, there's plenty of evidence for it and it IS a good explanation, but that's neither here nor there in this context.

Proof is not what we're looking for. The business of science and philosophy, and human progress generally in fact, is to find good explanations, as I defined them above, and there's only one way we know of to do that. You start with a conjecture, then subject it to exhaustive and detailed analysis, inspection, and criticism, to find out if it actually is a good explanation of how something in the world seems to work. That's the source of our knowledge. All there is so far on this past lives and reincarnation stuff is the conjecture and a pile of anecdotes, insufficient to justify accepting it as a good explanation. It's also inconsistent with a lot of good explanations that we already have for other things, which is a strong point against the conjecture.
 
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on an apocalyptic note, from what I've heard on tv, there are some psychics who believe that the majority of people on earth are on their last life/last incarnation. the end of humanity maybe near. 8O :(
 
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spaminator said:
on an apocalyptic note, from what I've heard on tv, there are some psychics who believe that the majority of people on earth are on their last life/last incarnation. the end of humanity maybe near. 8O :(
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Yep, Sylvia Browne is on hers as I recall. I suppose there is also the remote possibility we are ALL on our last life! :smile:
 
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spaminator said:
on an apocalyptic note, from what I've heard on tv, there are some psychics who believe that the majority of people on earth are on their last life/last incarnation. the end of humanity maybe near. 8O :(
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You need to watch more uplifting things on television. LOL.
 
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talloola said:
according to what I have been told by some who believe in after lives, it is the 'soul',(which they also
believe exists), that moves thru to a new life.

The so called memory of children comes thru their brain, and according to those who believe in after lives,
it is not the brain that moves on, the brain decomposes with the rest of the body, so there is no way
a child has any memory of any past life, what he does have is a great imagination, which is good, but
is being confused with something else which does not exist.

A lack of proof is just that, no proof that any such idea actual exists, and
until there is proof, I cannot believe in any such idea, it is imagination,
which I do believe strongly in, I have a great imagination, it can take me to
very interesting places, and ideas, but I come back to reality and realize how
wonderful the brain is, to be able to manufacture imaginary visions, and that
is how all the great movies were made, great books were written, etc.
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Because some dreams do foretell future events, it seems the "mind" while residing in the brain, is separate from it. The brain is an organ and is incapable of leaving the body, but something sure does at times. There are so many instances where not just children know future events. These are predictions that could not possibly be foreseen with the knowledge the brain has available to it.

One of my daughters would tell us from about the age of 7 or 8 that she would never marry. That she would die before that. Well she got to two weeks before her wedding day, before she was killed in a firey car crash. Now exactly how did that child know this at such a young age. Her sister actually reminded her while she was trying on her wedding dress about (what we felt was her obsession) that it seemed she was wrong. It is one of the reasons, I think we do choreograph as much as possible our lives.

It is pretty hard to put such life changing events into manufactured imaginary visions.
 
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bluebyrd35 said:
Because some dreams do foretell future events, it seems the "mind" while residing in the brain, is separate from it. The brain is an organ and is incapable of leaving the body, but something sure does at times. There are so many instances where not just children know future events. These are predictions that could not possibly be foreseen with the knowledge the brain has available to it.

One of my daughters would tell us from about the age of 7 or 8 that she would never marry. That she would die before that. Well she got to two weeks before her wedding day, before she was killed in a firey car crash. Now exactly how did that child know this at such a young age. Her sister actually reminded her while she was trying on her wedding dress about (what we felt was her obsession) that it seemed she was wrong. It is one of the reasons, I think we do choreograph as much as possible our lives.

It is pretty hard to put such life changing events into manufactured imaginary visions.
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i'm sorry to hear that.:(



did she know how and when she was going to die?
perhaps she could have taken another form of transportation. eg. bus, etc.
 
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