Did the Christian God Break his own Commandment?

[Praxius]

I posted this comment a while back in another thread, and then I got to thinking about it and felt I should startup a debate surrounding it:

"...... And I say raped Marry, since she was pregnanted by God without her consent or knowlege.... ffs.... God didn't even have the decency to speak to her face to face and sent one of his messengers to do the job..... like the anti-social pervert he is.......

....God himself broke the sanctity of marriage by raping Marry, who was married to Joseph and got her pregnant without her consent.... or his for that matter.... and when one is supposed to follow the comandment of "Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's wife" which was supposed to be written by God himself..... WTF kind of logic is that when he breaks his own rules?"

Regardless of her being a virgin, she was still married to Joseph and therefore the commandment still applied.... so is God above his own commandments where this is just an example of "Do as I say, not as I do" or is there something more to this?

Another aspect if one wants to delve further into this, is that all humans are born with sin apparently..... yet they claimed Jesus was without sin, even though his conception was without consent until after an angel told her how it was going to be and his existence contradicts one of God's own commandments.

So what does this say about the entire religion in which follows Jesus and assumes that he was sin-free?

I mean, if our parents got married in a church, did everything by the book, had a baby and that baby is still full of sin.... how does Jesus get away with the above and not be full of sin too, if not, more?

Because God exempted him from those same rules and thus they didn't apply?

Well what kind of message is being sent across when God does this?

 

[lone wolf]

For the marriage to be legal, doesn't it have to be consumated first? If Mary was virginal, then obviously it may not have been - unless Joseph needed a road map or was rather *ahem* under endowed.

 

[Praxius]

For the marriage to be legal, doesn't it have to be consumated first? If Mary was virginal, then obviously it may not have been - unless Joseph needed a road map or was rather *ahem* under endowed.

Back when Marry and Joseph were married and back in their time, I seriously doubt many of those marriage rules existed, let alone churches to hold a marriage in and a priest to conduct the marriage, so all of the details around how one got married at the time are up in the air..... but the commandments has been around long before their time, as the Jewish Religion follows along the same line of commandments from God..... The bible claims they are "married" when God got her pregnant.... so they were either married, or the bible contradicts itself again, and thus, they were not married..... so which is it?

And maybe Joseph and Marry did consumated the marriage, but he had such a small penis that it didn't actually break through in the process, therefore she was still technically a virgin since she still had her hymen intact, even though consumation took place.

As it stands, the known "facts" are:

• Joseph and Marry are Married in the Eyes of God (Or they wouldn't have claimed they are married in the Bible)
• The Commandment "Thou Shall Not Covet Thy Neighbor's Wife" exists as a factor.
• Marry was a Virgin.
• God got Marry Pregnant without asking her first and without her knowlege until after the fact and nothing could be done.

So even if she wasn't married or the marriage wasn't "Consumated" in order to make it an official marriage (Even though, yet again, they claim they were married) Does this still give God the excuse to have his way with Marry's body?

But then again, are us humans just possessions to God, since he apparently created us, and therefore he can do what he wants, when he wants, regardless of the wishes of the humans he is having his way with, thereby, interfeering with their normal process of their lives in which he originally intended in the first place for us to go through in order to goto heave?

And if that is the case, then doesn't this mean that Marry went to hell?

 

[Colpy]

".........not the potter, but the potter's clay."



Benefit of a good Baptist upbringin'.

 

[lone wolf]

Covet means like to long for or to obsess over. God only wanted to knock her up. Maybe it was artificial insemination so it would be like visiting the gynecologist. Loophole....

 

[look3467]

Luk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

A vessel chosen and Mary was found to be highly favored and one blessed as Eve was to be the mother of the seed (Jesus) who was the one espoused to God to deliver all of mankind back to the Father.

This procedure manifested in the flesh to bring in a spiritual kingdom that is not of this world.

Now, Praxius, I understand your very descriptive use of words concerning God, as not to favorable but yet forgivable because had you any faith in God, those choice of words would never be voiced or thought by you.

If we can come to understand how God works rather than what we think He works, we would by far in a better position.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[CDNBear]

If we can come to understand how God works rather than what we think He works, we would by far in a better position.

Peace>>>AJ

And not eating shellfish.

 

[darkbeaver]

Covet means like to long for or to obsess over. God only wanted to knock her up. Maybe it was artificial insemination so it would be like visiting the gynecologist. Loophole....

Aliens do that all the time that's were mum got my brother.

 

[lone wolf]

Aliens do that all the time that's were mum got my brother.

Sort of fits in with another thread in here - if we can go beyond the silliness. Some of the statements under hypnosis re: alien abduction/interaction are a little tough to refute.

 

[darkbeaver]

Sort of fits in with another thread in here - if we can go beyond the silliness. Some of the statements under hypnosis re: alien abduction/interaction are a little tough to refute.

Some of those statements are very old as well. How did the alien stories get started in the first place? Isn't it most likely they began with real experiance? Truth is stranger than fiction.

 

[lone wolf]

Some of those statements are very old as well. How did the alien stories get started in the first place? Isn't it most likely they began with real experiance? Truth is stranger than fiction.

Like I said ... tough to refute. Is there anything more arrogant than looking up at all those stars - each one a potential sun - and believing there's nobody else out there? Chances are, if they're paying visits, whoever it is will be more advanced ... and since they leave behind so little evidence, they're one hell of a lot smarter too....

 

[darkbeaver]

Like I said ... tough to refute. Is there anything more arrogant than looking up at all those stars - each one a potential sun - and believing there's nobody else out there? Chances are, if they're paying visits, whoever it is will be more advanced ... and since they leave behind so little evidence, they're one hell of a lot smarter too....

That's pretty arrogant all right. The universe is a seething mass of life I think.

 

[dj03]

Just a technical note...most scholars, by that I mean people at real universities who study this stuff for accuracy, not to back up established doctrine, say that Mary and Joseph were engaged, not married...at least according to the majority of manuscripts.

I also don't think that people who believe this sort of thing think that God has a penis or that sperm was involved...I know, the whole XY thing is a problem but I'll leave that to someone else to figure out.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Some of the statements under hypnosis re: alien abduction/interaction are a little tough to refute.

That's assuming they're accurate. There's no reason to believe that what people reveal under hypnosis is necessarily true, people in a hypnotized state are highly suggestible and can be led by a hypnotist with an agenda into saying almost anything. Look up Elizabeth Loftus' work about repressed memory, for instance; lives have been destroyed by people under hypnosis being led into revealing details of childhood physical and sexual abuse that never happened. Courts do not accept evidence revealed under hypnosis, because it isn't reliable.

For DB's question about how such stories got started, I would simply point out that such stories have been around for centuries, and they've been interpreted in terms relevant to the times. Alien abductions are relatively recent, in times past they've been interpreted as visits from angels and demons and succubi and whatnot, it depends on their cultural context. Modern psychology indicates that such things happen to certain personalities, like the fantasy-prone Whitley Schreiber, and there's no reason to think the reports are accurate. Clearly something real is happening to these people, but the evidence does not sustain their interpretations. The simplest and best explanation is the psychological one, that it comes from inside their own heads and has no other reality.

And for the OP's question, did God break his own commandment, I find that argument pretty contrived. There are a lot of sweeping assumptions necessary to making the argument at all, and I don't buy any of them, so the argument strikes me as rootless and not grounded in evidence.

 

[Lester]

What about adultry? is mary guilty of that?

 

[L Gilbert]

10 Commandments:

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'

- http://www.allabouttruth.org/10-commandments.htm

Look at the first. Now were I a "all-powerful god" I think i'd be a little wiser than to make a rule like that because it simply lays the groundwork for jealousy. Being jealous is hardly wise.

The second pretty much rules out an awful lot of art. Art is the only way some people have of expressing themselves. If they can't express themselves they leave themselves vulnerable in many ways and cause a temptation for others to take advantage. I'd say this is hardly wise for a god to allow.

3? Well, let me see, as there is an awful lot of Muslims, Buddhists, Jainists, Pagans, etc. around it's okay for them to use this god's name in vain, I guess. That would cause some anxiety is some of his own "flock", wouldn't it? Is this wise? Not in my books.

The Sabbath? No mention of which day was supposed to be the Sabbath. We are supposed to take a witchboard and divine the answer? lol More wisdom afoot, huh? Downright genius.

5. Ah, finally a positive one; unless thy father and mother were on drugs and beat you and your siblings or something which seems to happen all to frequently. Now this would cause some to withdraw from believing in me if I were a god, I would think. Perhaps even turn to a different religion. Again, not terribly wise nor intelligent.

The 6th? Purely and simply this is blatant hypocrisy. According to the Bible this god has murdered more than 10 million people simply because of jealousy, temper tantrums, etc. And people call Hitler vile. (I remember reading about someone actually counting the casualties of this god's war on humanity). Satan killed 9, I think it was.

hehehe I would imagine the adultery one will continue being discussed. The subject matter is fun sometimes.

I'll stop here because this was the one being discussed. But, my point is that this "god of love" breaks his own rules constantly. And I expect that some twit will tell me "Oh, God works in mysterious ways". My answer to that is "Bull Shyte!". Humans invented the thing in their own image and THAT is why it breaks its own rules.

Edited because I forgot to mention where I got the commandments from.

 

[look3467]

They say the ones from Missouri always question something with "I wouldn't believe it till I see it"; I don't know who coined the phrase, but definitely lacks any faith.

As for the aliens, though I have faith in God, I will side with the Missourians.

ahhhh, the power of choice!

Peace>>>AJ

 

[lone wolf]

They say the ones from Missouri always question something with "I wouldn't believe it till I see it"; I don't know who coined the phrase, but definitely lacks any faith.

As for the aliens, though I have faith in God, I will side with the Missourians.

ahhhh, the power of choice!

Peace>>>AJ

What choice? I mean ... it's your pickle, but what choice do you really have when you deny yourself such a God-given gift as an open mind?

 

[look3467]

What choice? I mean ... it's your pickle, but what choice do you really have when you deny yourself such a God-given gift as an open mind?

You could not have acknowledge God any better than to what you said "such a God given gift as an open mind".

And truely, an open mind is one who can see from the outside in, and still retain respect for the Almighty and his fellow mankind.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[ShintoMale]

the Christian god cannot follow is own commandments and is constant use of threats to keep his people in line shows that he is not all powerfull