Did the Chinese discover America?

Locutus

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Does this map from 1418 prove historian's controversial claim that the New World was discovered by the CHINESE 70 years before Columbus?


  • Gavin Menzies, a British historian, claims Chiense Admiral Zheng He set up colonies and sailed round South America before Columbus
  • Menzies' new book, 'Who Discovered America?' also claims the Chinese have been sailing to the New World since 40,000 BC across the Pacific Ocean
  • His theories are not widely accepted by academia and he has been labeled a 'pseudo-historian'




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'Who Discovered America?': Controversial historian Gavin Menzies claims Chinese reached New World first | Mail Online

Columbus. :lol:

They're still on about that idiot?
 

WLDB

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Wasnt Columbus either. The Vikings were a few centuries earlier. Or we can go back tens of thousands of years and say the natives found it.
 

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I know that Japanese anchors that predated Columbus were found in the harbor of my home town in California.
 

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Well, my link is to 2012 info
. Newer info about the Clovis people in this article - A comet DID wipe out first North American prehistoric humans: Ice core data suggests a cosmic impact killed off Clovis people | Mail Online - but most researchers were content that the Clovis people were preceded by others anyway.
That was the point of contention I read about on the Clovis findings.
Far from knowing much about this so I ask.
From what I do recall they are also finding more DNA evidence as time and digs progress.
 

SLM

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Wasnt Columbus either. The Vikings were a few centuries earlier. Or we can go back tens of thousands of years and say the natives found it.

Dinosaurs were here first, geez what are ya, dino-racist or something?

;)

Lol.

But yes, I thought the whole "Columbus discovery angle" was pretty much discredited what with the Vikings finding that North American shaped land way back when. :)

If they did, can we please not change the holiday this year? I have plans to go away this Monday.

You're willing to give up the opportunity to have General Tso Chicken as a traditional holiday dish just because you have plans?
 

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We read Menzies for the American history book club I belong to some time ago. His book is full of fabrications and is lacking in substantive proof.
 

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All right, time and geological travel in the same post.

(in part)
Number of Migrations
Physical anthropologists have shown that the craniometrics of the earliest Americans (i.e., "Paleoamericans" like Kennewick, Spirit Cave, Lagoa Santa) are significantly different from those of more recent Native Americans. Working under the assumption that craniometric variation is neutral and therefore phylogenetically significant, they interpret the differences to reflect two successive migrations stemming from two geographically or temporally distinct sources. Accordingly, Paleoamericans arrived in the New World and were later replaced by ancestors of modern Native Americans.

Long ago and far away there were some people living by the seashore. Over a relatively short period of generations the waters rose more than 400 ft and showed no signs of slowing. The decision to vacate the home was solved bu cutting down all the trees in North Africa and sailing to Central America on rafts. The immigration pattern went mostly south and they survived and eventually moved even further west as far as Australia before the African features were faded by time. The few that migrated into the lower part of North America died out. Once Australia had been reached the migragation moved north and slowed in expansion but developed large Nations with large populations. The one in China also went north and the east to North American and then South America for the 2nd time. The spread went west from China into Europe, that last place of the global migration.

That was the point of contention I read about on the Clovis findings.
Far from knowing much about this so I ask.
From what I do recall they are also finding more DNA evidence as time and digs progress.
How do we know the first Vikings didn't do their raiding down to the Canary Islands, said/float to America, trade or raid for another load of supplies and use the gulf current float back to the starting point. Coming west across the northern current would have been a deadly task compared to going with the wind in a storm. Let alone having to beat the ice off the sails.
 

Locutus

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All right, time and geological travel in the same post.

(in part)

Number of Migrations


Physical anthropologists have shown that the craniometrics of the earliest Americans (i.e., "Paleoamericans" like Kennewick, Spirit Cave, Lagoa Santa) are significantly different from those of more recent Native Americans. Working under the assumption that craniometric variation is neutral and therefore phylogenetically significant, they interpret the differences to reflect two successive migrations stemming from two geographically or temporally distinct sources. Accordingly, Paleoamericans arrived in the New World and were later replaced by ancestors of modern Native Americans.

source: Center for the Study of the First Americans


*Speaking of sources, when material is c&p here you should be citing the source of the page or work. Wouldn't want someone to accuse you of plagiarism or worse.



Long ago and far away there were some people living by the seashore. Over a relatively short period of generations the waters rose more than 400 ft and showed no signs of slowing. The decision to vacate the home was solved bu cutting down all the trees in North Africa and sailing to Central America on rafts. The immigration pattern went mostly south and they survived and eventually moved even further west as far as Australia before the African features were faded by time. The few that migrated into the lower part of North America died out. Once Australia had been reached the migragation moved north and slowed in expansion but developed large Nations with large populations. The one in China also went north and the east to North American and then South America for the 2nd time. The spread went west from China into Europe, that last place of the global migration.


How do we know the first Vikings didn't do their raiding down to the Canary Islands, said/float to America, trade or raid for another load of supplies and use the gulf current float back to the starting point. Coming west across the northern current would have been a deadly task compared to going with the wind in a storm. Let alone having to beat the ice off the sails.

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Does this map from 1418 prove historian's controversial claim that the New World was discovered by the CHINESE 70 years before Columbus?


  • Gavin Menzies, a British historian, claims Chiense Admiral Zheng He set up colonies and sailed round South America before Columbus
  • Menzies' new book, 'Who Discovered America?' also claims the Chinese have been sailing to the New World since 40,000 BC across the Pacific Ocean
  • His theories are not widely accepted by academia and he has been labeled a 'pseudo-historian'




more


'Who Discovered America?': Controversial historian Gavin Menzies claims Chinese reached New World first | Mail Online

Columbus. :lol:

They're still on about that idiot?
That is a pretty damn accurate map of the globe considering it is supposed to be from 1418.

I don't know if it was Chinese or another Asian people but they were the ones who crossed the land bridge prior to the last ice-age so it was Asians who discovered NA. Then again those Asians had previously migrated from Africa so it was Africans who discovered North America. ;-)