Depleted Uranium-Far Worse Than 9/11

[#juan]

There is no doubt that Bush, Chaney, Rumsfelt, Powell, Rice, Blair, all joined in various lies to gain approval
for the invasion of Iraq.

The dangers of Depleted Uranium are well known. Any denial of these dangers is garbage.(crap if you will) The Pentagon had full knowledge of these dangers and used it anyway.

Asserting that the Bush administration lied is not anti-American. Everyone knows they lied.

Saying that using DU weapons is a war crime is not anti-American. It is a war crime.

Someone said that DU weapons were an abomination. They are.

I can't be more clear than that.

 

[Curiosity]

BitWhys Depleted uranium could cause damage to DNA???

Does that sound like the dynamic results of factual information and scientific proof???

Notwithstanding I have no chance of opening any new windows for you, I do have to remind you that many chemicals we are exposed to in our homes and daily lives will alter our DNA.

You are again utilizing the article as an American Bash - nothing more - Do you really have an investment in saving the people of the middle east and the military who are on the ground there?

Ever stood and watched a building burn? There are innumerable carcinogens being released into the atmosphere which are as deadly as you describe the DU - tons of which are being .... what?....planted on purpose by the Americans?

Some of our household cleaners which we purchase in our excessive need to be "good homeowners" will kill if we don't read the labels. Wood stain and varnishes alter DNA

It's all in the perception and degradation of the U.S. is the primary mission of this discussion. That is fact.

 

[BitWhys]

omg

...Do you really have an investment in saving the people of the middle east and the military who are on the ground there?...

you really have to ask. 8O

THIS...

for the record...

Uranium’s Effect On DNA Established

The use of depleted uranium in munitions and weaponry is likely to come under intense scrutiny now that new research that found that uranium can bind to human DNA. The finding will likely have far-reaching implications for returned soldiers, civilians living in what were once war-zones and people who might live near uranium mines or processing facilities.

Uranium - when manifested as a radioactive metal - has profound and debilitating effects on human DNA. These radioactive effects have been well understood for decades, but there has been considerable debate and little agreement concerning the possible health risks associated with low-grade uranium ore (yellowcake) and depleted uranium.

Now however, Northern Arizona University biochemist Diane Stearns has established that when cells are exposed to uranium, the uranium binds to DNA and the cells acquire mutations, triggering a whole slew of protein replication errors, some of which can lead to various cancers. Stearns' research, published in the journals Mutagenesis and Molecular Carcinogenesis, confirms what many have suspected for some time - that uranium can damage DNA as a heavy metal, independently of its radioactive properties. "Essentially, if you get a heavy metal stuck on DNA, you can get a mutation," Stearns explained. While other heavy metals are known to bind to DNA, Stearns and her team were the first to identify this characteristic with uranium.

Depleted uranium - what is left over when the highly radioactive isotopes of uranium are removed - is widely used by the military. Anti-tank weapons, tank armor and ammunition rounds are just some of the applications. "The health effects of uranium really haven't been studied since the Manhattan Project (the development of the atomic bomb in the early 1940s). But now there is more interest in the health effects of depleted uranium. People are asking questions now," Stearns said.

Her research may shed light on the possible connection between exposure to depleted uranium and Gulf War Syndrome, or to increased cancers and birth defects in the Middle East and Balkans. And closer to home, questions continue to be asked about environmental exposure to uranium from mine tailings; heavily concentrated around Native American communities. "When the uranium mining boom crashed in the '80s, there wasn't much cleanup," Stearns said. Estimates put the number of abandoned mines on the Navajo Nation in Arizona at more than 1,100.


Source: Northern Arizona University

is fact.

THIS...

Stearns and her team are the first to show that when cells are exposed to uranium, the uranium binds to DNA and the cells acquire mutations. When uranium attaches to DNA, the genetic code in the cells of living organisms, it can change that code. As a result, the DNA can make the wrong protein or wrong amounts of protein, which affects how the cells grow. Some of these cells can grow to become cancer.

is fact. What one manages to make of it is a matter of perception, as is how and why one chooses to opine regarding, as it were, the perpetrators.

 

[sanch]

I love revision as it gives us such a tidy world view replete with obvious villains and victims. But in revising history selectively one falls into the trap outlined by Heroclitus; artifacts once removed from the river of time are as capable of distorting the truth as illuminating it. Examine Israel’s history. It conveniently begins in 1948. Go to the Irgun website. There is no mention of the destruction of Palestinian villages and of terrorist acts. There is no mention of Israel’s role in the ruthless displacement of the Palestinian people. The history has been sanitized.

And here again with uranium we have another interesting self-serving narrative. It does not begin with the fact that Canada is the largest producer and exporter of uranium in the world. It does not begin with the fact that the mining of uranium in the Canadian north for both nuclear weapons and conventional weapons exposes aboriginal peoples to the deleterious effects of exposure to radioactive materials. It does not include that in supporting this form of development in the Canadian north aboriginal communities are displaced and a vibrant way of life is replaced with one of destitution and despair. Alcholoism and shortened life expectancy and poverty among aborinals is a direct product of Canadian development. There is a blind indifference on the part of the Canadian people to the plight of aboriginals.

This is from an article on this website. http://www.canadiancontent.ca/issues/0399uranium.html

Workers mined uranium and radium near Deline, NWT at a mine operated from the early 1930s to '60s (originally privately owned, it was not government run until it reopened in the 1940's). During that time Dene from the Deline area were used to transport uranium and radium in burlap sacks from the mine down the Great Bear River for $3/day. This was the world's first uranium mine, and since then, according to the NWT Cancer Registry, at least 14 (of 30) workers packing the ore have died of lung, colon, and kidney cancers 1.

So Canada has long been aware of the relationship between uranium byproducts and cancer. It's simply been covered up and ignored.

What is really nasty here is that the buyer of the uranium, the U.S. government, knew of the dangers of uranium mining at the time. The Canadian government, too, was well aware of these dangers and did nothing.

Where does all this sit today? We have Frank Finley of Atomic Energy of Canada Ltd dropping by northern high schools (among the thousands of people around the world he talks to each year), trying to convince them that radiation doesn't just have bad applications, that in fact it is used in producing so many things around us.

We have to remember that the NDP has been very actively involved in promoting this kind of dangerous development in the north.

http://www.bullfrogfilms.com/catalog/ur.html

Canada, where this film was shot, has the world's richest vein of uranium, and a recent history of violent confrontation over native rights. This film is but one example of how our society's need for resources causes us to trample on native peoples rights. Given our limited knowledge of the range of environmental risks associated with uranium mining, and the social problems that ensue, the film questions the validity of continuing to mine it.

And DU is not the only dangerous residue in Afghanistan and Iraq. The Soviets killed 2 ½ million Afghans and sent over 4 million into exile. They did this with both conventional, biological and chemical weapons. Whole villages were razed with chemical weapons. No one knows what adverse affect these chemical weapons have had on the health and DNA of the Afghan population. This is not know for Iraqis or Iranians either. Further it is not known if DU and these other toxic residues in combination increase health risks. It is easy to postulate that A affects C. Life becomes inherently more complicated if we use the whole alphabet. Let’s look at the complete story and not be selective and then perhaps some form of truth will emerge in the end.

To me the selective history in this thread has a dual purpose. 1) It absolves Canadians of any guilt over their way of life being subsidized by fueling a war machine and that the aboriginal people are victims of their prosperity. 2) It also provides a ready trope to wag in the face of the US which seems to be the number one point of a lot of these posts.

 

[BitWhys]

and all that relates to the military use of DU how exactly?

 

[#juan]

This is part of an older article. In a way, it proves that problems with DU were suspected before the Iraq invasion where the use of DU was the highest.



by ROBERT JAMES PARSONS,
December 31, 2001


Last November, when stories first appeared in the European press of deaths from leukemia among Italian soldiers who had served in the Balkans, alarm bells started ringing across the Continent. The leukemia was--and still is--believed by many independent experts to be caused by radiation from depleted uranium (DU) arms used in the Balkans during the war. Since most European countries are members of NATO, most of them have troops stationed in or near areas believed to be contaminated.

In France, the February 2000 broadcast of a documentary about DU triggered a steadily increasing demand for more and better information. At the same time, reports were surfacing in Belgium of illness among that country's troops stationed in the Balkans. Early this year, Spain and Greece announced they will screen their soldiers for contamination, and Portugal has decided to remove its troops entirely from Kosovo.

Country after country summoned US ambassadors or dispatched delegations to NATO headquarters in Brussels in search of more information about DU. But NATO--which in effect means the United States--has stuck to the Pentagon's oft-repeated refrain: If there is a problem, soldiers' health should certainly be studied, but it is impossible that DU is involved because its radiation is so low as to be utterly harmless.

A major reason for Pentagon evasiveness is the almost 200,000 Gulf War vets apparently suffering from the variety of illnesses lumped together as Gulf War Syndrome who have filed claims against the VA for service-related illnesses. Three-quarters of that group are now classified by the VA as disabled, and almost 7,000 of the original total have died.

 

[MagnoliaApples]

Sanch said:

"No one knows what adverse affect these chemical weapons have had on the health and DNA of the Afghan population. This is not know for Iraqis or Iranians either. Further it is not known if DU and these other toxic residues in combination increase health risks. It is easy to postulate that A affects C. Life becomes inherently more complicated if we use the whole alphabet. Let’s look at the complete story and not be selective and then perhaps some form of truth will emerge in the end. "

It IS known what adverse affects these chemical have on people. Haven't you been reading the articles or doing any research of your own??? Why don't you look it up? There are many articles, researchers and scientists that have been outspoken about the effects of D.U in the Afgani, Iraqi AND Gulf War Vets.
The results are staggering, to say the least!!

http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2005/4.html

" In 2003 scientists from the Uranium Medical Research Center (UMRC) studied urine samples of Afghan civilians and found that 100% of the samples taken had levels of non-depleted uranium (NDU) 400% to 2000% higher than normal levels. The UMRC research team studied six sites, two in Kabul and others in the Jalalabad area. The civilians were tested four months after the attacks in Afghanistan by the United States and its allies.

NDU is more radioactive than depleted uranium (DU), which itself is charged with causing many cancers and severe birth defects in the Iraqi population–especially children–over the past ten years. Four million pounds of radioactive uranium was dropped on Iraq in 2003 alone. Uranium dust will be in the bodies of our returning armed forces. Nine soldiers from the 442nd Military Police serving in Iraq were tested for DU contamination in December 2003. Conducted at the request of The News, as the U.S. government considers the cost of $1,000 per affected soldier prohibitive, the test found that four of the nine men were contaminated with high levels of DU, likely caused by inhaling dust from depleted uranium shells fired by U.S. troops. Several of the men had traces of another uranium isotope, U-236, that are produced only in a nuclear reaction process. "

At the end of the article, it tells you where to start your research into the issue. It even gives you the links. So, how hard can it be for you to get informed?

Sanch said : " To me the selective history in this thread has a dual purpose. 1) It absolves Canadians of any guilt over their way of life being subsidized by fueling a war machine and that the aboriginal people are victims of their prosperity. 2) It also provides a ready trope to wag in the face of the US which seems to be the number one point of a lot of these posts. "

WC said: " What I object to is reading about DU as an anti-american podium giving one questionable source and all of us sitting on our floor pillows saying "oh ya" .... let's hate the government again and again and again.... that's not worthy thought. "

And: " I suggest you run the scenario that Canada is cut off from the U.S. and operating on its own.

If you have the courage to look into the possibility that is what you are promoting. Would that be in Canada's best interest? "

I don't think that Juan told anybody on this thread to "hate" the American government. You just can't accept that this government took actions to commit massive crimes on humanity. As ugly as it is, it's no secret that the U.S government has made incredibly atrocious decisions that affected not just people who are foreign to the country but on it's own people who went out to serve the country on the basis that they were doing something to helpthe world. What is there to defend?!

Oh, and that last comment you made about Canada being cut off from the U.S and operating on it's own what kind of crap was that???
Looks like someone is trying to hide behind the illusion of the Almighty United States of America.


... Some Canadians aren't worried about the fact that if that did happen then we would be keeping our OWN water,our OWN power, our OWN oil, our OWN medications - (the list goes on....) while americans would have to look elsewhere for these important resources. And seeing as how not very many countries in the world really like or trust America, i wonder where that would leave you?

 

[I think not]

If you kept your OWN water, power, oil medications etc.... you would turn into a third world country, where would that leave you? Hmmm, I wonder.

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: Depleted Uranium-Far

Third world countries are a product of American Imperialism, when America is no more things will be a lot better, I,m looking forward to that day and anything that accellerates your decline is fine by me. hahahahahahahah

PS: I,d rather sit in a frozen cave and eat bugs than see you prosper and win, and most of the world thinks like I do.ha

 

[I think not]

More predictions from the looney left.

 

[MagnoliaApples]

If you kept your OWN water, power, oil medications etc.... you would turn into a third world country, where would that leave you? Hmmm, I wonder.

That's what you think!

Maybe that's because, as far as you're concerned, America is the only country in the world that can amount to any success.

Don't you see how arrogant that attitude is???

And then Americans wonder why all people want to do is tell them to shut-up!

You must feel really comfortable living in your Social Studies text book version of American history ! Well you know what, i'm gonna let you live in your little imperial bubble of American reality and excert my own Canadian Patriotism and believe in the capabilities of my own country.

So why don't you deal with the topic at hand and praise your crook govenment while it speads urainium all over the place inflicting pain and disease on innocent people, including Americans, like you've been conditioned to. Or maybe you can't because after actually researching the issue you realize you don't have a leg to stand on.

P.S - Disclaimer - I realize that not all Americans are like some in this forum. And i don't hate Americans. I just can't stand their present govenment!

 

[I think not]

That's what you think!

That's what I know.

Maybe that's because, as far as you're concerned, America is the only country in the world that can amount to any success.

Stereotypes, you feed yourself stereotypes and get annoyed over your own blather.

Don't you see how arrogant that attitude is???

It's not arrogance, it's indifference to your boggle.

And then Americans wonder why all people want to do is tell them to shut-up!

But we don't listen to anybody, why should I listen to you and your blather?

You must feel really comfortable living in your Social Studies text book version of American history ! Well you know what, i'm gonna let you live in your little imperial bubble of American reality and excert my own Canadian Patriotism and believe in the capabilities of my own country.

Does that include keeping your industries to yourselves and not benefiting economically from it? That's Canadian patriotism? :lol:

So why don't you deal with the topic at hand and praise your crook govenment while it speads urainium all over the place inflicting pain and disease on innocent people, including Americans, like you've been conditioned to. Or maybe you can't because after actually researching the issue you realize you don't have a leg to stand on.

Because my dear, I find it hypocritical Canada being the number one exporter in the world of Uranium ore and depleted uranium and you have the high moral ground to preach. Meet Canada, the global arms dealer with a heart of gold.

P.S - Disclaimer - I realize that not all Americans are like some in this forum. And i don't hate Americans. I just can't stand their present govenment!

And I realize not all Canadians are like you , if they were, I wouldn't come around here.

 

[darkbeaver]

More predictions from the looney left.

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ITN don't you ever get tired of being wrong? You should turn that money of yours into some hardware, like a shovel and a garden hoe, and some nails and a hammer and teach yourself something usefull like a trade. See you at the inflation sale. :lol:

 

[I think not]

I'm wrong? I'm not wrong, the US isn't a "kinder, gentler" (*cough* bullshit) nation, it is based on individualism, we don't believe in "groups". So the US may or may not sink, ITN isn't sinking, ever. So you can spew your hatred and eat bugs in a cold cave all you want, ITN will be eating steak, it's what's for dinner.

 

[#juan]

5/3/06


Heads roll at Veterans Administration

Mushrooming depleted uranium (DU) scandal blamed

by Bob Nichols

Project Censored Award Winner
Considering the tons of depleted uranium used by the U.S., the Iraq war can truly be called a nuclear war.

Preventive Psychiatry E-Newsletter charged Monday that the reason Veterans Affairs Secretary Anthony Principi stepped down earlier this month was the growing scandal surrounding the use of uranium munitions in the Iraq War.

Writing in Preventive Psychiatry E-Newsletter No. 169, Arthur N. Bernklau, executive director of Veterans for Constitutional Law in New York, stated, “The real reason for Mr. Principi’s departure was really never given, however a special report published by eminent scientist Leuren Moret naming depleted uranium as the definitive cause of the ‘Gulf War Syndrome’ has fed a growing scandal about the continued use of uranium munitions by the US Military.”

Bernklau continued, “This malady (from uranium munitions), that thousands of our military have suffered and died from, has finally been identified as the cause of this sickness, eliminating the guessing. The terrible truth is now being revealed.”

He added, “Out of the 580,400 soldiers who served in GW1 (the first Gulf War), of them, 11,000 are now dead! By the year 2000, there were 325,000 on Permanent Medical Disability. This astounding number of ‘Disabled Vets’ means that a decade later, 56% of those soldiers who served have some form of permanent medical problems!” The disability rate for the wars of the last century was 5 percent; it was higher, 10 percent, in Viet Nam.

“The VA Secretary (Principi) was aware of this fact as far back as 2000,” wrote Bernklau. “He, and the Bush administration have been hiding these facts, but now, thanks to Moret’s report, (it) ... is far too big to hide or to cover up!”

“Terry Jamison, Public Affairs Specialist, Office of the Deputy Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs, Department of Veterans Affairs, at the VA Central Office, recently reported that ‘Gulf Era Veterans’ now on medical disability, since 1991, number 518,739 Veterans,” said Berklau.

“The long-term effects have revealed that DU (uranium oxide) is a virtual death sentence,” stated Berklau. “Marion Fulk, a nuclear physical chemist, who retired from the Lawrence Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab, and was also involved with the Manhattan Project, interprets the new and rapid malignancies in the soldiers (from the 2003 Iraq War) as ‘spectacular … and a matter of concern!’”

When asked if the main purpose of using DU was for “destroying things and killing people,” Fulk was more specific: “I would say it is the perfect weapon for killing lots of people!”



Principi could not be reached for comment prior to deadline.

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[darkbeaver]

I'm wrong? I'm not wrong, the US isn't a "kinder, gentler" (*cough* bullshit) nation, it is based on individualism, we don't believe in "groups". So the US may or may not sink, ITN isn't sinking, ever. So you can spew your hatred and eat bugs in a cold cave all you want, ITN will be eating steak, it's what's for dinner.

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I don't know where you're gonna get that steer in NYC ITN but if ya need some tips on how to butcher and dress the animal I've done it before lots of times, it's a usefull skill, would that be a hereford or shorthorn and do you have a place to hang it for a week,that makes the meat nice and tender. Dinner now and after the fall are going to be quite different affairs, what do you wear for eating raw dog in the street. I've heard that you're all team players down there, ya'all steppin up to the plate and all the time raisin the bar on the level playin field and thinkin outside of some box or other, what the hell doe's all that bullshit mean anyway.
Well enough of this fun It's friday night and I got to get drunk and stoned and go to the revival of the burning pentagon.
:lol:

 

[sanch]

Re: RE: Depleted Uranium-Far Worse Than 9/11

and all that relates to the military use of DU how exactly?

Well Canada provides the raw materials for the war machine and in doing so not only contributes to it but exposes the aboriginal people to danger.

I see Canadian actions against aboriginals as a war and as genocide.

Anything else you want to know?

 

[sanch]

No one knows what adverse affect these chemical weapons have had on the health and DNA of the Afghan population. This is not know for Iraqis or Iranians either. Further it is not known if DU and these other toxic residues in combination increase health risks. It is easy to postulate that A affects C. Life becomes inherently more complicated if we use the whole alphabet. Let’s look at the complete story and not be selective and then perhaps some form of truth will emerge in the end.[/color] "

It IS known what adverse affects these chemical have on people. Haven't you been reading the articles or doing any research of your own??? Why don't you look it up? There are many articles, researchers and scientists that have been outspoken about the effects of D.U in the Afgani, Iraqi AND Gulf War Vets.
The results are staggering, to say the least!!

The recombination of all these chemicals is very recent and so no one really knows. 2 1/2 million people dead which you refuse to acknowledge. My point is you don't give a damn about suffering and death and you only want to make a political point. There has been no remorse shown to aboriginal peoples as victims of uranium on this thread which is revealing. And the staggering conclusion I reach is that Canadians here do not care who they kill as long as they have the opportunity to point their finger at someone else.

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: Depleted Uranium-Far

Sanch for christ sake we ain't innocent, but we ain't trying to run the planet either.

 

[sanch]

DB justice begins at home. Canadians are not trying to run the planet but they are trying to run Canada. Maybe Canadians should give aboriginals a chance to govern.